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New Yahoo Chat Room Behavior
« on: Aug 19th, 2007, 2:29am » |
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I'm covering this on ChatFest.org for those who want to know what is going on. As you have noticed now, it is nearly impossible to get into room 1 or any room that you really want. Yahoo has changed the way that rooms are identified and I don't see the way they are doing it. Think of it now as one huge room with "cubicles" that hold up to 50 people. The "cubes" are not really rooms that are identifiable. When the first cube fills with 50 users, it falls down to the next cube. When that cube fills with 50 users, it goes down the line. That's why most of these rooms are bots now as they keep bouncing around and filling up the smaller numbered "cubes". There is no chat client that can change this so we users are rather screwed for the time being.
On another note, I have heard Yahoo planning on a 3 level paid membership system of chat rooms. No word yet on the roll out but I did see an e-mail to a European user explaining this. This could be a system somewhat like PalTalk. Yuck!
Remember folks, the Forum is not going anyplace. There is a chat room here as well as my IRC server at http://www.1freeworld.net/chat.html and my very own instant messaging service at http://www.1freeworld.net/messenger.html. Both are running fine.
Let me know if you have any other questions and I'll be reporting more as I hear it on ChatFest.org.
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Re: New Yahoo Chat Room Behavior
« Reply #1 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 9:10pm » |
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I have been reading postings to the Yahoo Messenger Blog and I'm simply amazed. Some of these chat client programmers have some of the largest egos I have ever seen. I'm sorry to the guy that writes Ym!Lite, but sir, it is a chat client for Yahoo Messenger's service and not a operating system bent on taking over the world. Never have I seen a website geared towards the spanking of one person's monkey. I do understand that writing a room bot filling script and boot tools to test your client is ok, but this guy freely advertises them to get people to use them so others will switch to his client. WTF? Jim Jones and "drink the kool-aid" anyone? This is the same kind of hubris that nearly destroyed IRC years back and will do the same to Yahoo chat now. Yahoo's newer protocols and more of a "human interaction" on login is the answer. Creating chaos through not carefully planned out "upgrades" is not the answer.
More to come...
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Re: New Yahoo Chat Room Behavior
« Reply #2 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 6:06pm » |
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In running through the Yahoo Messenger Blog on the current state of affairs, I ran across this posting:
It wasn’t wise to delete some of our posts you know. My JOB is to rip your protocols apart like beef through a grinder, programming around your chat services. Right now I possess SEVERAL resource exhaustion denial-of-service attacks that can and will cripple your Yahoo! Messenger chat client instantly. Now, before you delete this post too, I’m offering to HELP here. You can listen to me for a second (as painful as it is). I am willing to forward ALL of my information pertaining to these attacks and even some spam filtering rules to you at Yahoo! Inc. to much IMPROVE your now dying chat service.
Contact me at Support@YTKPro.com and we’ll get these issues resolved before they become widespread (if and when the “bad guys” find these vulnerabilities to exploit). If my program, YTK Pro, can protect against ALL of your vulnerabilities (voice lagging / resource exhaustion / booting) then you can certainly get it together and listen to someone whom has already remedied these issues. I look forward to hearing from somebody over here at Yahoo!. If it weren’t for Chet Simpson, Brock and myself NOBODY would give two craps about your service at the moment because we haven’t given up on it — have you?
Regards,
Adam of Torseq Technologies
Author of YTK Pro, YTK Lite & VC Sync
Are you kidding? Where do these people come from and what flavor of Kool-Aid are they drinking? Some silly boast about what they can do to Yahoo on one hand (FBI anyone?) and then state that they are the "solution"? Threaten a corporate entity, spank your monkey and then claim to fix everything all in one posting to a Yahoo blog! Remember folks, people like this live among us and even drive heavy mechanical equipment on the same roads at the same time that we do. Frightening, isn't it? Anyone that wears even a remotely darker hat just has to laugh at people like this. I don't think the Woz or the Captain ever spoke like this...
Here is another post by this guy. He is someone I would hire to be part of my business?
You never had any valid points. Also, YTK Pro, YTK Lite and VC Sync aren’t the first and only applications that have come out of Torseq Technologies. Google around and you’ll find commercial software written by us (ie. OpticNT). No userbase? Think again hotshot.
“Adam, you claim that you know all about how Yahoo! chat works, so just go ahead and present them with a little competition. ”
I’ve fully documented their chat protocols (voice, cam, YMSG, Chat 2, YCHT and now Web Messenger). I don’t just “think” I know how they work.
“You’re admitting that without Yahoo! you would just be another internet hacker?”
Just another, huh? You’re pretty extreme here… did you take your meds today?
“What are you doing flaming on a Sudoku message forum when you should be “working with Yahoo!?”
I’m not the only one, take a look around. Flaming is also something I’m NOT doing. I’m offering my help. If you knew something about anything I’m sure you would offer to help in jeopardized times like these, would you not?
“Oh, and, you are welcome, of course, “Adam of YTK fame with 700 whole users (as compared to millions of Yahoo! users).”
YTK Pro was launched on November 12th of 2006. Now, you need to reread what I typed. I said that we had a surge of new FORUM users, most of which are satisfied customers. Do you think every user I have is signed up on the forum? Only 1 in 4 to 5 might sign up on our forum if help is needed or a discussion is wanted. Between YTK Pro, YTK Lite and VC Sync we have THOUSANDS of users. I’m sorry that I had to burst your bubble.
“BTW, since you’re such an avid contributor to Yahoo! chat, may I ask where your accreditations are mentioned on any official Yahoo! site?”
I don’t work for Yahoo!, remember? I contributed in getting that nasty room boot patched many months ago. Guess what? Yahoo! listened to me and made the deadline I had set before I promised to go public to security sites with the information to exploit such a vulnerability. Google “Torseq Tech” sometime. Read up and then get back to me.
and another to another blog post:
Edie, I’m not forcing anything on them. You my friend need to be cold clocked for being the pinhead you are.
Is there any size room that can contain this guy's head? This is a guy who makes part of his living off of Yahoo. If it was not for Yahoo, he may just not have a business. With all his self-proclaimed acumen, he has no desire to offer up the "definitive" (in his humble opinion) chat service. Remember, whether we are saddened by Yahoo's changes in service or not, it is free at this time and there are plenty of alternatives out there to go to.
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Re: New Yahoo Chat Room Behavior
« Reply #3 on: Aug 21st, 2007, 6:11pm » |
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It appears that there are sane heads that read the Yahoo Messenger Blog. Here is a posting that comes from someone intelligent and mature all at the same time:
Most of Yahoo! is free. If you ever got anything from the services it offers, you got more than you paid for. How many other things can you say that about?
As for free speech and deleting comments: you still have free speech — post on your own blog; don’t delete the comments on your own blog. Voila, free at last!
I’ve watched as Yahoo! added services and improved them through the years and it’s been going well. The fact that they procured new servers for chat, etc, shows that they still have an interest in trying to provide and improve those services. At what cost to you? Nothing. All you have to do is suffer through viewing a few ads; and we all know there’s ways around that even.
As to Adam’s noble offer to help, maybe he should re-read his offer and see if that’s how he would word his C.V. If Adam needs to help Yahoo! so badly, he can submit a job application to their offices like anyone else so interested. I’m sure the wages will be commensurate with his experience and education…
That being said, I have to object to Yahoo!’s rolling out gamma code on gamma servers. The way this kind of upgrade should be done is to keep a working (albeit flawed) system running and multiplex the input to it as well as the target/new system and review the output without releasing it to the public. Once that test proves successful, replace one server and test it. Then test some more. Only then can you be sure that you have a viable system worthy of replacing the old.
Why does Yahoo! do things the way they do? 1) Because they can. 2) Because they don’t know any better. 3) Because as long as they can show their advertisers they have a user base of x-hundred-million people (even though 80% are bots), they still get paid.
The market will speak for itself. If Yahoo loses some of it’s user base, rest assured that 80% of them will be bots looking for fresher territory with real users to click their referrer links for them. Rest equally assured that Yahoo! will not delete their accounts because more accounts = more advertising power and dollars.
That’s as it should be. Whether it should be that they do not ban spammers and bots from chat even though it should be painfully obvious (and thus easy to filter) which users are bots and which aren’t is a question for Yahoo! to decide if they want to consider. Perhaps the new servers will give them the computing power required to add such filtering.
Perhaps if we really want chat for what chat is meant for, we should go back to IRC. But then Adam and his ilk wouldn’t be able to air his frustrations and make money from Yahoo!’s shortcomings, right? Isn’t that what all your flaming is really about, Adam? You spend all your tiime publishing Yahoo! chat’s protocols to create a need for something like YTK’? And now there’s no need because there’s no chat. So your customer base is diminished
If you’re such a pro at this whole chat thing, why not provide your own free chat service. Yahoo!’s success shows that there’s a market for it. Start with nothing like Yahoo! did, and make a Brave New Chat that we can all use for free! Then make sure you open up a blog and let people bash your service and don’t delete any posts! Ah, what a country!
That sums up my feelings as well.
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Re: New Yahoo Chat Room Behavior
« Reply #4 on: Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:20am » |
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On the Yahoo Messenger Blog, they have finally released a statement on the new server changes. The biggest news to us is that the new room setup is not permanent and that they will be working on getting that back to normal just as soon as possible. This is GOOD news for our community. They are also working on the SERIOUS bot infestation as well. Things are looking up as we finally have some official news as to what is going on!
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Re: New Yahoo Chat Room Behavior
« Reply #5 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 2:17am » |
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Wow! I can't believe that big guys like these also bash each other's head! I thought these only happens inside chatrooms, you know, the people who acts like hardcores! Hahaha! I find these very amusing, Mike!
But what I really want to know is where are those bots coming from? Are they really advertisers for porn sites? And why can't yahoo filter them? Surely there should be some distinguishing marks on the way they go around? They really sux, you know.
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Re: New Yahoo Chat Room Behavior
« Reply #6 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 4:32am » |
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Some of the older bots were scripts written to use YahElite. Those are now all gone as Yahoo changed the way that chat rooms are configured and listed. Those bots used very old versions. These other bots are written by companies that produce software manages a entire fleet of bots.
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Re: New Yahoo Chat Room Behavior
« Reply #7 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 4:21pm » |
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good to know yahoo will be back on air soon...i miss the room and inter-acting with different breeds of people, both sane and insane, normal and abnormals hahahaha thanks for the info mr. geek and hopefully those who claim to be "all-mighty-heaven in software and hardware tech" will help for a better and healty competition
bots will never go for sure, but eliminatin their presence will help u appreciate chatting more....long live the clones (tho)!!! hahaha
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Re: New Yahoo Chat Room Behavior
« Reply #8 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 2:07am » |
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Be careful with what you wish for, manay, you just might get it. Hehehe! Yeah, I hope the chatroom will be back to it's old format, i missed all the things you said, too, manay.
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Re: New Yahoo Chat Room Behavior
« Reply #9 on: Aug 25th, 2007, 7:11am » |
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Yahoo chatrooms are back. For the most part, you can get to the room you want. They are still working on the bot issue at this time, but at least we can chat again in our favorite rooms. 
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