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kim
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House bill 16 of Lagman... Two Child policy
« on: Nov 19th, 2004, 11:08am » |
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''Our resources can only afford a small population. The two- child policy is part of a strategy to save the nation because over population is killing us,'' he (Edcel Lagman ) told a radio interview.
In its 2000 census, the National Statistics Office counted 76.5 million Filipinos and placed the population growth rate at 2.36 percent or an annual increase of 1.8 million. Based on the growth rate, official estimates now place the population at 84 million, with four babies born per minute. The population will double in 29 years if the growth rate continues.
Poverty affects 38 percent of the population, or 26 million Filipinos in absolute numbers, who cannot make both ends meet. In the freshly issued United Nations Development Program report, the Philippines ranked 83rd among 177 countries in its human development index.
...Quoted from interpress news agency...
Big population = bigger money needed to accomodate everyone
Big population = greater chances of poverty
It is to no surprise that the Catholic Bishop Conference of the PHil. And Pro life Philippines opposed this bill....
Let us not go int a religion discusion but let us concentrate on what is better for the country...
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Re: House bill 13 of Lagman... Two Child policy
« Reply #1 on: Nov 19th, 2004, 11:56am » |
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If one can afford to feed a dozen mouth and even afford to send them to school, why stopped them from having more children?.... Two-child policy is just a bill of somebody who can't think of things to do during his term  (He better try to look busy if he don't know what to do). The problem with some of our officials nowadays is that : just so they have done something during their term they will make some nonsense-bill  ...They should have : spend time and money educating the uneducated so these uneducated will know the effect of making so many babies and give them jobs so they have something to do than "make babies" every day. Between unemployed and employed, the unemployed produce more babies and in fact some employed can't even produce one...that's because they have things to do than think or do the act of making babies...I think of this bill as an excuse of the government officials to be blamed of the ever-growing population. It is their way of covering up their ineffeciency in answering the unemployment problem.
If you work 8-5 or sometimes more do you think you have more time to make and make and make babies? With a net pay of less than a thousand pesos, do you think you will risk of making more babies? hmmm..just a thought ..... but really, one shouldn't be stopped from making babies if he/she can afford to have more than 2... and what our government official should do to these people overpopulating Philippines is to give them jobs and "population education" .... and not send Kimmy to teach them that..for she will rather give a "sex education" class...hehehe
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Re: House bill 13 of Lagman... Two Child policy
« Reply #2 on: Nov 19th, 2004, 1:11pm » |
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Since Kimmy said not to focus on the religious side of the issue. The best question is: Should the two-child policy be made compulsory?
Other legislators oppose the bill, they said that it will only promote abortion and also objected to Section 9 of the bill, which mandates the use of 50 percent of the internal revenue allotments of local government units to fund the purchase and distribution of artificial contraceptives.
In China, this is mandatory as a result it did encouraged abortion, especially once the couple knows that the fetus is a babygirl.
What they should do is educate people, especially those people from the far flung barrios about all the birth control methods.
The government should educate them and let them know all the possible options and give them the freedom of choice to decide how to plan their family.
And more importantly, contraceptives should be made available to those couples who don't have the resources to buy it themselves. I was shocked to find out that most of them don't even know how to use condoms, or some even think artifical contraceptives are harmful to their health.
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scottman
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Re: House bill 13 of Lagman... Two Child policy
« Reply #3 on: Nov 20th, 2004, 1:13am » |
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The concept of education and providing jobs (I assume public service jobs so your are just increasing the tax burdon on those that work in the public sector) and handing out birth control are all nobel ideas, and should be persued.
The arguement, though, is that those that can afford to have 10 kids, wont. This is especially true in the western civilization. It is the poor and uneducated that tend to have the larger child count.
The problem with education is "how do you do it?". What I mean is, how do you educate the poor and uneducated since that tends to be the part of the population that these types of bills are addressing. (now don't shoot me here; I realize I am making a huge generalization and that not all poor people are uneducated) but that is the segment of the population you would have to figure out how to educate... what is that plan?
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Re: House bill 13 of Lagman... Two Child policy
« Reply #4 on: Nov 20th, 2004, 7:20am » |
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on Nov 20th, 2004, 1:13am, scottman wrote:| The problem with education is "how do you do it?". |
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Hi scott, welcome back. I miss you...lol
I heard that there's a team of health workers currently going around disseminating information about surgical methods of family planning, specifically vasectomy. What we need to do is to educate them about the misconception that vasectomy diminishes one's manhood.
On the contrary, I guess Filipinos are just simply hard-headed. Family Planning has been included in the curriculum of high school and college students for years now and yet the total number of unwanted pregnancies are dominated by the students. So I think educating the youth about family planning is not really working in reality.
This could be the reason that prompts legislators to apply drastic means to solve the apparent ignorance and hard-headedness of Filipinos that will deal to the problem of population explosion that the basic education failed to solve.
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Re: House bill 13 of Lagman... Two Child policy
« Reply #5 on: Nov 21st, 2004, 5:58pm » |
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Its not about Religion, its not about Education, its not about Poverty .... POPULATION is all about Implementation to be committed! Each and every one of us must commit a relentless drive in spite of the obstacles. @ child policy well..i agree to that....not becuz we have to but because we need to...Given this scenario, the govt faces an enormous chalenge in its drive to eradicate poverty and protect the vulnerable and disadvantages sectors in our society.To improve the quality of life of "us" Filipino should have main objective of its social and human developement initiatives.
Come to think of it..JAPAN has a big problem w regards w their population...know what is it?? NO CHILD! Their prob is they have no enough kids to sustain their future! Imagine that?? I noticed when i was there...90 percent of what i noticed riding on trains and buses are ages 20 above...gosh...what will gonna happen to them in the near future? im sharing this to let u know...that we, our problem is not that severe...it makes it difficult cuz we are livin on a 3rd world country...meaning...no enough education, no money to support, lack of labor, and corruption!
Mymy is right Filipinos are really stubborn and hard headed..  They release their depression by means of f**kin (excuse the word)..and not thinkin of anything. Poor country.   
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Re: House bill 13 of Lagman... Two Child policy
« Reply #6 on: Nov 22nd, 2004, 5:21am » |
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This is interesting. All kinds of pros and cons here. I wouldnt think the catholic church would allow this. I think thats the whole problem. To much religion in your government. But then what do u say to someone who wants to have 3 or 4 kids. If you say you cant do that to them, they would be losing their freedom of choice. But if population is a problem something needs to be done because sounds like not enough resources to take care of population. I think its a good idea if positive results happen. But think about this if a 2 child limit is accepted whats next? Abortion. Thats the negative about trying to incorporate new ideas. A newer idea is always around the corner. See if you put a 2 child limit on people then y cant anyone have an abortion? Changes are necessary thats true, but can the government, religious aspect and people accept the changes is the big question.
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Re: House bill 13 of Lagman... Two Child policy
« Reply #7 on: Nov 22nd, 2004, 5:53am » |
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on Nov 21st, 2004, 5:58pm, okasantina wrote:
Its about Religion. No matter how much we tried not to mention religion it would always be involved. Philippines being a predominantly Christian country, goes against the saying , "Be fruitful and multiply."
Filipinos' culture of being conservative significantly influences the public's aversion of the policy. Laziness to comply and lack of discipline also adds up to the growing population of the people.
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Re: House bill 13 of Lagman... Two Child policy
« Reply #8 on: Nov 22nd, 2004, 7:34am » |
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on Nov 22nd, 2004, 5:21am, thebeast wrote:| To much religion in your government. |
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*** YES! Too much religion sucks..but its a democratic country... even me can make my own religion ... There is no consistency of whose and how to follow...the problem is i think PI should be in a parliamentary gov't.  Wether u are a Catholic. a muslim, a protestant, a Christian..the thang is should follow the rules! there are lots of contraceptives for women not to engange in ABORTION.
Quote:| But then what do u say to someone who wants to have 3 or 4 kids. If you say you cant do that to them, they would be losing their freedom of choice. |
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*** As long as they can provide a good shelter. education, clothing, food to their kids why not? but if the head of the family has no work/job and the mother is doin laundry only? why need to have a dozen of kids Its their choice?? i dont think so..its their choice why their life is miserable and not to blame the gov't.
Quote:| But if population is a problem something needs to be done because sounds like not enough resources to take care of population. I think its a good idea if positive results happen. But think about this if a 2 child limit is accepted whats next? Abortion. |
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*** There are lots of alternatives, we dont need to go on abortion just to solve a problem? LET THE PEOPLE BE AWARE....by informin them the pros and cons of having too much kids...not only to themselves but for the nation.
Quote:| Thats the negative about trying to incorporate new ideas. A newer idea is always around the corner. See if you put a 2 child limit on people then y cant anyone have an abortion? Changes are necessary thats true, but can the government, religious aspect and people accept the changes is the big question. |
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*** I am a Catholic and i believe in LIFE! but once LIFE is threatend to abandon..that...i disagree. Abortion is killing intentionally..willingly....but using some CONTRACEPTIVES.. is not against God's Law...its precautions to prevent the big population problem. Thats why GOD gave us mind to think, to reason out whats the best without doin any wrong...If the population breaks down badly...can the Religion aspect will be able to help the Gov't for the betterment of the nation?? NOOO!! not at all...Prayers yes! but how to stop? no they cant help..They only know is to argue and battle..and not being open and broad to what the problem really is.
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Re: House bill 13 of Lagman... Two Child policy
« Reply #9 on: Nov 22nd, 2004, 8:16am » |
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When i first heard the bill i said to myself, why not make it a law that you can't have more than 2 children if you cant afford to? But if you are rich and can afford to have dozens fo children then go ahead.... Majority of us Filipinos are poor... Meaning, that majority of us CANNOT afford to raise even a single child. And if you impliment a law saying that only the "can afford" people can have more than two children then that would start a very very.. and do i mean a very big problem... people will shout out... THATS DISCRIMINATION AGAINST THE POOR!!!.. One question.... Why do we always look at these kind of "proposals" negatively? YEs this is not the "only" solution to poverty in our country but it is a start. have you ever noticed that those people who can afford to raise children only have 1 or 2 and sometimes even none. While those people who cant afford to raise them have 4 or more children... What are their reasons why they have so many children? they say that "the bigger the better". But do they even think of what or how they will be able to raise their children? Having a child is a privilage and also a responsibility. Its all about responsibility. Be responsible to take contraceptives if you are sexually active so that you can prevent unwanted birth..... ok i could go on and on but let me comment on some of what you said...
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