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tarantada
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FAMILY PLANNING/BIRTH CONTROL
« on: Feb 22nd, 2004, 8:25am » |
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Are you in favor of Family Planning methods or follow the church not to use them?
What's your position on this family planning and the church issue?
Who do you think is more right?
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teagirl
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Re: FAMILY PLANNING/BIRTH CONTROL
« Reply #1 on: Feb 22nd, 2004, 4:43pm » |
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Being in the healthcare industry (industry?), I have seen a lot of things that somehow make you question a lot of things. Its not true that medicine and religion are always at odd with each other but there are times when they are.
As a healthcare worker, I am for family planning especially here in P.I. I have seen a lot of neglect, malnutrition and diseases among kids that you wonder why the parents are allowed to have more. I also suggest protection for teeners against unwanted pregnancies and STD.
As a christian, and a Catholic at that, I'm caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. Although there are doctors that really refuse ligation like one well known Ob-Gyn in my hospital gives her patients to other doctors when they request ligation and I respect her for that.
Its controversial. But I guess it all depends on the individual where he/she stands.
What I cant deal with, however, is abortion. I AM AGAINST ABORTION --- choice or not, birth control or not, it's still murder.
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thebeast
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Re: FAMILY PLANNING/BIRTH CONTROL
« Reply #2 on: Feb 22nd, 2004, 10:49pm » |
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I dont think anyone likes to be told how to run thier personal life or family. Whether it be the church or government. We all have to make certain choices with GODs help that might not agree with the Church or our own governments. U make choices which are best for your family and then you live with the choices you make. Its not a question of whats right or wrong its a question of whats best.
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Re: FAMILY PLANNING/BIRTH CONTROL
« Reply #3 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 8:48pm » |
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those couples who are not ready to have a baby yet or not ready to have another baby must use birth control or they'll end up in abortion which is worse. The church has accepted the rhythm method but its still the couples prerogative which one to use. And all depends on the parents as well, if they want more, then more they'll have.
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Re: FAMILY PLANNING/BIRTH CONTROL
« Reply #4 on: Mar 31st, 2004, 9:13am » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2004, 10:49pm, thebeast wrote:| I dont think anyone likes to be told how to run thier personal life or family. Whether it be the church or government. We all have to make certain choices with GODs help that might not agree with the Church or our own governments. U make choices which are best for your family and then you live with the choices you make. Its not a question of whats right or wrong its a question of whats best. |
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Impressive beast Joel  and i agree to that...i believe and fear GOD but i know what is best for me and my family. Its our own choice of how to live without it...And GOD knows how can we deal about it....its a matter of choice of deciding what is best. Do other ppl think about it? When they dont have any food on d table w so many kids around?? dad w no work...kids w no food to eat....mom that is lousy .... which is better?? Im sure GOD dont like that scenery right? 
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kim
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Re: FAMILY PLANNING/BIRTH CONTROL
« Reply #5 on: Dec 6th, 2004, 10:54am » |
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family planning and birth control is your right but it is also your responsibility. I too dont like it when people tell me what to do.. but the thing is most of the times you should already know what you should do... they just give the opions and its up to you what you would do. Its not fair to do things just coz you didnt liked it when you were told not to do it.
think of whats best for you and the people around you then decide what to do... I am for birth control... I'm taking pills right now because i was to be responsible and mature about my actions ( If anyone wants the brand i'm using just ask its mild and i found that it has no side effects fo me  )
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nelson3082000
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Re: FAMILY PLANNING/BIRTH CONTROL
« Reply #6 on: Dec 7th, 2004, 5:16am » |
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lolz reading here am sorry to laugh what ahs the church got to do with the individual.if u decide to have an abortion there must be a good reason,like one said above lets bring all children into the world and let them get diseseses and let them suferr more is that what people are saying rather then abortion, thats why i guess here in australia we dont have many kids out on the street becuse we do the right thing with people not follow outdated reilgious believes
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kim
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Re: FAMILY PLANNING/BIRTH CONTROL
« Reply #7 on: Dec 9th, 2004, 4:36am » |
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on Dec 7th, 2004, 5:16am, nelson3082000 wrote:| lolz reading here am sorry to laugh what ahs the church got to do with the individual.if u decide to have an abortion there must be a good reason,like one said above lets bring all children into the world and let them get diseseses and let them suferr more is that what people are saying rather then abortion, thats why i guess here in australia we dont have many kids out on the street becuse we do the right thing with people not follow outdated reilgious believes |
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I dont have anything against any religion.. But dont ask me to comment on any relegion coz it will start a looooooong conversation.
Neslon The philippines has so many different types of relegion but majority of the Filipinos are Catholics. I dont know why but for som reason i think no one actually abides by the "separation of church and state" law anymore. I think or real president is the cardinal (No offense to anyone)...
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kim
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Re: FAMILY PLANNING/BIRTH CONTROL
« Reply #8 on: Dec 9th, 2004, 4:36am » |
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The Philippines is Asia’s only Catholic nation, and the Church’s strong opposition to contraception and abortion has been felt within Philippine society and government. Only 22% of married couples in the Philippines use contraceptives.116 In 1986, the constitution incorporated provisions giving the right to life "from the moment of conception.”117
The result has been a growing reliance on illegal abortion, with the accompanying rise in the medical complication rate.118 Septic abortion is the tenth most common cause of hospitalization of Filipino women.119 The abandonment or selling of unwanted babies is another disturbing consequence.
In 1992, the government under Protestant President Fidel Ramos announced it would step up its family planning programmes and promote the use of artificial contraception in order to curb population growth. Catholic organizations have vowed to "fight to the death" against this official family planning campaign,120 and have organized public protests.
http://www.cbctrust.com/abortion.html#40
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Archbishop Cruz argued that the government should address poverty directly, rather than seeking to put pressure on families to curb population. Affirming the opposition of the Catholic Church to artificial methods of birth control, he promised that the hierarchy would try to mobilize the Catholic people-- who account for over 70 percent of the country's population-- against the family-planning effort.
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=31271
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I dont understand why the Catholic church oposess on family planning and on abortion at the same time. Natural FAmily plannign is far more complicated and than those family planning methods by the government. But it would work either way right? Sad to say majoriy of Us filipinos dont even stop and think about any of these methods... All they want is to have sex and have fun...
I might get into trouble for saying this but i'lls ay it anyways.... I'm taking pills.. does that mean i'm going to hell for it? And i challenge the catholic church to make their so called "Natural Family Plannign method" work. Since %70 of FIlipinos are catholic then they should be able to control the population if all their catholic followers will follow them. As if majority of the catholic even follow them... There are some who follow what their church says but most only follow what is convenient for them.
Abortion... family planning... birth control and safe sex are all choices that each individual may or may not practice. For one thing, it it human nature to rebel against something that is forced to you specially if you dont understand it. So educating the people about these topics will go a long way. Let us stop... think... and analize each side then deside whats best for us..
Specially the women because it is your responsibility to take care of yourself. If you had sex and you got pregnant you cant say its the guys fault because he didn't withdraw... IT takes two to tango ... And if you grt pregnant and the guy doesnt want to take the responsibility for it then you'll be left alone to handle the situation... abort the baby... it will be your consience and not the guy. ANd if you are caught you'll take the fal for it and not the guy. If you chose to have the baby then its your choice and responsibility again to raise the child... TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF GIRLS... BECAUSE GUYS WONT DO IT FOR YOU
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nOrKAy
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Re: FAMILY PLANNING/BIRTH CONTROL
« Reply #9 on: Dec 9th, 2004, 6:23am » |
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Quote:| I might get into trouble for saying this but i'lls ay it anyways.... I'm taking pills.. does that mean i'm going to hell for it? And i challenge the catholic church to make their so called "Natural Family Plannign method" work. Since %70 of FIlipinos are catholic then they should be able to control the population if all their catholic followers will follow them. As if majority of the catholic even follow them... There are some who follow what their church says but most only follow what is convenient for them. |
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Please dont get me wrong Kim but since you put a question mark there,here is my idea.You asked if you're going to hell because of taking pills as contraceptive,well you know that is a sin but you still do it and not because God always forgives,we are free to do whatever we wanna do and say"God will forgive me anyway".We have to remember,we will be put into judgement according to what we have done.Take for example when you were still young taken care by your mom,did she not whip or punish you when you did something wrong especially if she knew you knew it was wrong and you still did it? I am not trying to stop you but my dear, i am sure you know the side effects of taking it especially if you're taking it for a long time already,and especially if you still want to have a healthy baby soon .Just a thought sweety.
Yes majority of the Filipinos is Catholic but i think we can not base on how effective the church can implement this kind of birth control method "Natural Family Planning" and no matter what kind of family planning is to be implemented, the result still relies on people's choice.We can never control a family about its plan in having children but since it's the Catholic church that would be implementing this and majority of the Filipinos is Catholic,it should be here then or in this way we can see how people show their devotions,their faith and respect on their church.So i think no matter how much effort any church does to control the growing population in the Philippines, if we dont consider following our church belief (if they for example will implement that kind of family planning) is one way of showing our love,faith and respect to God, the plan will never be done.Sometimes,i go with the idea of implementing the law for this problem.If the Philippines really can not accomodate anymore the population, law must be implemented.But again, if law will be implemented, commiting sins will become worse because sex will just be like a game because we will be able to have/do it anytime we want with anyone without worrying about getting pregnant,women would be degraded,and relevance of marriage will detoriarate.So thinking and discussing about this, i will go with the opinion that EDUCATION IS A MUST about this kind of matter.I mean,the goverment and the church must work together in educating the people about family planning, and soon, people will learn how to worry and fear about having many children.
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