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teagirl
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Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Pres
« on: Jun 28th, 2005, 5:36pm » |
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Senator Hillary R. Clinton is tapped as the next Democratic Presidential Nominee for the 2008 US Elections. As a woman, it would be interesting to see if America will embrace the idea of a female president.
But as early as now, her rumor abounds that she may have "imbibed the culture of lesbianism" when she was still an undergraduate at Wellesley.
Would the hint/accusation of lesbianism really matter to American voters? What about her stand on healthcare? Her senate record? Are they important at all? Can a woman do a "man's job" at the White House? Does gender matter at this day an age?
As a woman, it would be interesting to see if another woman has got a fair chance in leading one of the most powerful countries in the world.
Any thoughts? Menfolks...and womenfolks?
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Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman
« Reply #1 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 8:28pm » |
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America is ready for a woman president ,just hope it wont be hillary clinton, she already had eight years running the country when every one thought bill was pres. niether of them are worth a damn in my opinion
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Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman
« Reply #2 on: Jun 29th, 2005, 1:55am » |
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Hillary Clinton running for president would be a very big mistake by the democrats. I am not a prejudice person but I dont think a woman will be able to win an election for president. I think first she gonna have to be on the ticket as a vice president nomonie first. Even so...any woman on the democratic or repuplican ticket as vice president or president is very risky. Risky due to the fact they have a greater risk of losing, not to the fact that the woman running could not do the job, but simply to the fact she is a woman. It shouldnt matter but for lots of voters it does. I think Arnold Schwarzenegger has a better chance of winning than a female and he not even born in america. Of course they would have to pass into legislation that a foreign born citizen could run for president. I doubt that will happen also. But you never know. As far as homosexuality or lesbianism goes...thats an issue most candidates try to stay away from...when confronted about it they are usually neatural about it or the try to reverse the situation like Kerry tried to do in the last election when he tried himself look as for the issue but used the current vice presidents daughter as an example. That was a clever move by Kerry to get the homosexuals votes and to try to swing the conservative republican votes to his side. lol When Bush was asked about the issue he just played dumb and said I dont know if its wrong or right. lol But everyone knows his conservative ideas about family and homosexuality. The homosexual vote is only important in california really anyway. Thats where most of them live that can make a difference anyway. But most people in the states think it is wrong to be a homosexual. So I think the issue is one that will not be focussed on for either side. Its one of those dangerous political suicide issues they do not like to discuss much.
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Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman
« Reply #3 on: Jun 29th, 2005, 8:27am » |
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on Jun 28th, 2005, 5:36pm, teagirl wrote:
As a woman, it would be interesting to see if another woman has got a fair chance in leading one of the most powerful countries in the world.
Any thoughts? Menfolks...and womenfolks?
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oh no...look at what happened to the philippines when woman is in power? Don't get me wrong but i dont like a woman as president.
it wouldn't make any difference if women are in power or become leaders of their nations....It will be basicly the same. Wars would still be raging, people would be complaining about gas prices.
The doctrine will not change just because a person has a vagina and not a penis.
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Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman
« Reply #4 on: Jun 30th, 2005, 3:12pm » |
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on Jun 29th, 2005, 1:55am, thebeast wrote:| But most people in the states think it is wrong to be a homosexual. So I think the issue is one that will not be focussed on for either side. Its one of those dangerous political suicide issues they do not like to discuss much. |
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I agree with you that its a political suicide for a candidate to let the constituents know he/she is pro-gay. By why is it that way? Is it wrong to stand by your convictions and defend it? And why do people in the States think its wrong to be homosexual? Whats wrong with being homosexual? Aren't gay folks people too? Isnt it said somewhere in your constitution or whatever doctrine it is that America is all about liberty and pursuit of happiness? So how can homosexuality be wrong if the individual is just exercising his/her right and pursuing happiness?
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Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman
« Reply #5 on: Jun 30th, 2005, 3:22pm » |
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on Jun 29th, 2005, 8:27am, mylane wrote:
oh no...look at what happened to the philippines when woman is in power? Don't get me wrong but i dont like a woman as president. |
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So, in essence, for you, a woman is a poor choice as a presidential candidate. I can live with that. No arguments here...
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So why are you against a female president if everything is status quo? What is wrong with a president who has a vagina? Any reasons?
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Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman
« Reply #6 on: Jun 30th, 2005, 3:52pm » |
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on Jun 30th, 2005, 3:22pm, teagirl wrote:
So, in essence, for you, a woman is a poor choice as a presidential candidate. I can live with that. No arguments here.. |
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There are women that have been in power that did a wonderful job, and there are women who have been in power that did a SHITTY JOB. Same for men, same for any other group. And those women that became the president of the philippines did a SHITTY JOB.
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So why are you against a female president if everything is status quo? What is wrong with a president who has a vagina? Any reasons?
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I really dont think the world would be any different, I figure it would be the same. Doctrines wouldnt change just because a person has a vagina and not a penis.
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Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman
« Reply #7 on: Jun 30th, 2005, 8:16pm » |
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on Jun 30th, 2005, 3:12pm, teagirl wrote:
I agree with you that its a political suicide for a candidate to let the constituents know he/she is pro-gay. By why is it that way? Is it wrong to stand by your convictions and defend it? And why do people in the States think its wrong to be homosexual? Whats wrong with being homosexual? Aren't gay folks people too? Isnt it said somewhere in your constitution or whatever doctrine it is that America is all about liberty and pursuit of happiness? So how can homosexuality be wrong if the individual is just exercising his/her right and pursuing happiness? |
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Sure why not?We've had alcoholics,drug addicts and sexual promiscutors in office before.Why not homosexuals too?And whos to say we've havent had one already as president?
Hillary Clinton is bad news.Her way would convert us into socialism.Im not ready to be a socialist society where someone tells me when its time to go to the bathroom.Hillary has been plotting this scheme of presidency since Bush first won.To insure her victory in 2008 she has to make sure that enough political mud was splashed on the Repubilicans to make thier defeat overwhelming.Then this country will be turned into the wrong direction.Then we will suffer loss of freedom.Its scary.
If I was to vote for a woman to be president....It would be Condolezza Rice.Shes got a good head on her shoulder.
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Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman
« Reply #8 on: Jul 2nd, 2005, 8:28pm » |
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on Jun 30th, 2005, 3:12pm, teagirl wrote:
I agree with you that its a political suicide for a candidate to let the constituents know he/she is pro-gay. By why is it that way? Is it wrong to stand by your convictions and defend it? And why do people in the States think its wrong to be homosexual? Whats wrong with being homosexual? Aren't gay folks people too? Isnt it said somewhere in your constitution or whatever doctrine it is that America is all about liberty and pursuit of happiness? So how can homosexuality be wrong if the individual is just exercising his/her right and pursuing happiness? |
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Well if you wanna win it would not be a wise thing to do to stand up for gay rights very openly. May in politics its not about right or wrong...its about winning without pissing as many people off as possible. As far as being gay as being right or wrong...well may if you a christian woman you should know the answer to that. And I know religion and government should be kept separate. But society has to have some morals and ethics. If you throw that out the door did you ever stop to wonder what society would be like? Its already bad enough as it is. Freedom is a good thing but it shouldnt be taken advantage of just cuz you are gay. What scares me is whats next for this. Homosexuals already getting married legally in some states. Whats next? Children? Thats what scares me. Kids already got it hard enough why you gonna want to confuse them more? This is not a question of freedom anyway. Its about sexual preference. They free to do what they want already. They just want to showboat their lifestyle is all they want to do. Hey I am a heterosexual but I not go marching around being proud of it. Hell people are supposed to be heterosexuals how else you think that the human race would survive? There wouldnt be any people in the world if we were all homosexuals. Its not part of the plan of survival. I am not running for office so I can say it...Its just wrong period. If you wanna be gay be gay thats cool with me but dont be talking to me about your gay rights when homosexauls are not even normal in the first place.
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Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman
« Reply #9 on: Jul 4th, 2005, 9:14pm » |
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on Jun 30th, 2005, 8:16pm, killerabbit wrote:
Sure why not?We've had alcoholics,drug addicts and sexual promiscutors in office before.Why not homosexuals too?And whos to say we've havent had one already as president?
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She's very self-serving, like Bill Clinton.
on Jun 30th, 2005, 8:16pm, killerabbit wrote:| Her way would convert us into socialism. |
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This sentiment comes from her socialized medicine scheme. I have yet to see any hard evidence that she would advocate converting the vestiges of our democracy into some sort of socialist autocracy, but ultra-right wing radio entertainers love to say that on their shows, thus keeping their followers pumped up. Still, there must be better choices than her.
on Jun 30th, 2005, 8:16pm, killerabbit wrote:| Hillary has been plotting this scheme of presidency since Bush first won.To insure her victory in 2008 she has to make sure that enough political mud was splashed on the Repubilicans to make thier defeat overwhelming. |
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She can't beat Karl Rove, who could run a Log Cabin Republican against her and still win. But it will likely be Jeb. Condi would be a good Rove choice for taking the women's vote away from Clinton.
on Jun 30th, 2005, 8:16pm, killerabbit wrote:| Then this country will be turned into the wrong direction. |
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We're already turned in the wrong direction--toward statism, the very antithesis of democracy.
on Jun 30th, 2005, 8:16pm, killerabbit wrote:| Then we will suffer loss of freedom.Its scary. |
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I don't think it could be more significant than the loss of freedom we've seen under the past two Bush Administrations. The Fourth Amendment has been subjugated to the USA Patriot Act, with the 9/11 attacks as the justification. Ultra-right-wing religious extremists, collectively known as Christian Dominionists, are making significant inroads in impacting U.S. legislation and are affecting the judiciary. The already illegal concept of free speech zones has been taken to unprecedented levels, and people deemed not to be cheering at Bush rallies have been removed by the Secret Service. So much for defending the Constitution of the United States.
To make matters worse, the U.S. is adopting a distinctly statist charracter: U.S. civilian administrators introduce George W. Bush as their "Commander in Chief" at political rallies. A majority of graduating American high school students believe that the First Amendment should be curbed. This should really concern Americans who are familiar with U.S. history.
on Jun 30th, 2005, 8:16pm, killerabbit wrote:| If I was to vote for a woman to be president....It would be Condolezza Rice.Shes got a good head on her shoulder. |
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Condi Rice concerned her office with the asinine missile defense shield and sabre-rattling at Iraq in the months prior to 9/11, much to the chagrin of both some of her own staff, who were convinced that an al Qaeda attack was imminent, and many at the CIA who were saying the same thing. She was even sent a now-famous memo from CSG Director Richard Clarke warning of an al Qaeda attack. Apparently, al Qaeda attacks were not a priority for her. I can think of few who would be less fitting for the presidency than Rice. We need leaders smarter than our enemies not a continuation of an administration so moronic that its members can be manipulated like marionettes by al Qaeda.
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