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(Message started by: mymy on Sep 28^th, 2004, 10:22am)

Title: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by mymy on Sep 28^th, 2004, 10:22am

British Prime Minister Tony Blair has refused to apologize for the Iraq war but admitted that the intelligence on Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction "turned out to be wrong."

Blair went on to say: "The evidence about Saddam having actual biological and chemical weapons, as opposed to the capability to develop them, has turned out to be wrong.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/28/blair.labour/index.html

any comment?

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by okasantina on Sep 28^th, 2004, 12:44pm

Dang!!! can they make the dead alive again???? >:(

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by xXx on Sep 28^th, 2004, 12:51pm

part of that news:

But the prime minister replied: "That's fine, sir. You can make your protest. Just thank goodness we live in a democracy and you can."

You can protest, but you can't change anything about it. Freedom of speech... accomplishing nothing. Great.
Rummy did the very same thing. "I take responsability ( for the Abu Graib abuses ), it happened under my watch" So what did he do, after a load of people used their freedom of speech to break down his policies, and he took responsibility? Nothing.

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by gracia on Sep 28^th, 2004, 8:54pm

in my opinion, that weapon of mass destruction was not really the primary reason of attacking iraq, could be one of the reasons. Anyhow, the impact brought by the twin tower tragedy was i think the main reason behind. The rumors about weapon of mass destruction, triggers the attack, but probably i'd like to think it this way, that anyone who's in power, will always execute precautionary measures. It's too unfair for Iraqui people, causing deaths of innocent citizen out of rumor. I'll condemn Bush myself if i'm an Iraqui.....but could be reasonable on the part of Bush. I understand Bush can be so dogmatic, but hearing threats like that especially if it involves the masses...anyone who's in power can't just disregard that and be in peace....especially we all know nothing is impossible with terrorist people. It's kind of shallow opinion but then i'm sure there's more to it, like eradicating the terrorist outta this world. But we knew Bush failed.

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by thebeast on Sep 28^th, 2004, 10:21pm

For all of you who dont believe that Iraq had weapons or wasnt planning to develop weapons you need to read this book. "The Bomb in My Back Yard" by Mahdi Obeidi. Mr. Obeidi was Sadams top nuclear scientest who right b4 dessert storm burried the plans of developing a nuclear weapon. Mr Obeidi has even stated that Sadam ordered him to continue his research on developing a nuclear weapon after dessert storm or he would be killed by Sadams thugs. He gave these plans to United States Inteligence when the US invaded Iraq the 2nd time. He has openly admited that he was developing a nuclear weapon for Sadam. Blair shouldnt apologize there is nothing to apologize for. You dont see Bush apologizing either. They had enough evidence to do what they did. Now its election time and both Bush and Blair are gonna say anything to get votes. Thats cool, but lets be realistic, neither one of them is sorry for doing what they did. They did the right thing with the information they had and they would do the same thing again if given the opportunity. They also did the world a favor by ousting Sadam out of power. He was no good for the world and no good for his own country.

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by norkay on Sep 29^th, 2004, 1:19am

Two thumbs up there Joel ;) ;D

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by mymy on Sep 29^th, 2004, 10:36am

I am not saying that American leaders give in to terrorists, what I'm saying that their process in attacking the problem is tragically flawed.

The war was started on completely false pretenses.

Bush's unnessesary war has killed twice as many CIVILIANS as were killed by 9/11.

Bush wanted Saddamn dead and would use just such an unrealistic excuse to justify a war. He barged in there without a thought, and never bothered to check facts and only said "You're either with us, or against us."

Most of the action was justified on the basis of lies and corruption, and motivation from personal gain.

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by thebeast on Sep 29^th, 2004, 2:00pm

on 09/29/04 at 10:36:11, mymy wrote:

Both Bush and Blair thought about everything. This wasnt a spur of the moment decision. They have advisors both military and civilian that he probably asked thier opinions. Then he went to congress showed them the evidence and most of congress agreed. Sadam was gonna build weapons of mass destruction. He used chemical weapons on his own people. He was never gonna stop trying to build them. He needed to be taken care of. He should of been taken care of in 1991. The liberation of Iraq was very necessary. Most of middle east is unstable, poor, and uneducated. They live like its the Dark Ages over there. I know its sad that innocent people die. It sucks. But you cant have it both ways. People die in war. Sometimes not the right people. If you are in a fox hole fighting with your buddy and your buddy gets shot you got 2 choices to make. 1. Think about how awful things are or 2. continue your fight and try to make things better. Im all for peace, but in order to keep peace you have to make some decisions and sacrafices and do what the United States did. Its not about, oh u just should mind your own business and take care of your own problems. Its about what we need to do in order to make this planet a better place to live. I know Sadam had weapons. I know he was gonna continue to try to make them. Sadam is a terrorist. No doubt about it in my book. The liberation of Iraq isnt what killed those innocent Iraqi civilians. Yes American bombs were dropped on innocent people, but in reality it was the power hungry greed of Sadam that killed them. He could of walked away and given his power up. But he chose to hide among his own people like a coward just like terrorists do. Terrorists want you to see all the innocent people being killed. It makes their cause seem to be sympathetic. But you cant give in to what you see or hear. You cant give them what they want. If you do you are just gonna have to deal with them again and again. So you have to go find them yourself and terrorists hide among civilians. Thats the way they fight.

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by heinz_ketchup on Sep 29^th, 2004, 9:28pm

it seem that the majority of iraqi civilians are being killed by their own

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by xXx on Sep 30^th, 2004, 12:35am

on 09/29/04 at 10:36:11, mymy wrote:

I'll agree with you on almost every point you've made. I'm especially angry with Bush, as an American, because I feel he blatantly lied to the American people by using WMDs as a pretext for invading.

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by xXx on Sep 30^th, 2004, 12:38am

on 09/29/04 at 14:00:06, thebeast wrote:

Who are the terrorists here? Before March 20 George Bush and Tony Blair were in concert threatening the lives of thousands of civilians. We were all saying Iraq should "negotiate" - or more bluntly give in to the demands of Bush and Blair. In fact they did, but still they wanted more, and in the end they went ahead
and slaughtered thousands of Iraqi "hostages" anyway. What is the difference? Even now the lives of thousands of Iranian civilians are in the hands of the US and British government. Even now they are starting to issue demands. How can you say that *they* are the terrorists and we hold the moral high ground? No, if they are terrorists, then so are Bush and Blair: they are
attempting blackmail diplomacy just as Bush and Blair did to Iraq and are now doing to Iran. You cannot deny this. Who are the terrorists here? If we believe that Bush and Blair are right to blackmail their way through the middle east ("we will bomb the shit out of you if you don't do what we want), then it is hypocritical not to acknowledge the same for the "terrorists".

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by xXx on Sep 30^th, 2004, 12:46am

on 09/29/04 at 21:28:19, heinz_ketchup wrote:

it seem that the majority of iraqi civilians are being killed by their own

No one kills innocent people randomly and just for the hell of it. Every attack, whether it be by terrorists or the US, has a purpose behind it. Every attack by the insurgents is directed against the occupation in some way whether it be US soldiers, Iraqi puppet police, people lining up to join the puppet police, or foreign workers working for the occupation forces. There is nothing random about the insurgent's attacks.

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by Analyn on Sep 30^th, 2004, 5:19am

Apology or none, can dead be resurrected? shattered lives be the same? millions of dollars lost be regain? just because of these so called mistake?

It's sad to know that people suffer because of wrong leaders in the wrong position. Bush is just too proud to say "YES to WAR" because he's not the one who will suffer and die. I support killing the terrorist but it should be done silently... what are the CIA and FBI for? if they can do their job then Bush will know where to aim his "bullet".

Their inefficiency is never an excuse to go into war.

Just a thought on Saddam's having actual biological and chemical weapons, which turned out to be wrong..."There will never be smoke if there's no fire"...US can't just find or prove it...

hey, i'm not into politics and i hate newspaper and any war news... so i can't find a source and cite one... just an opinion...hehehe ;D

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by mymy on Sep 30^th, 2004, 10:13am

on 09/28/04 at 22:21:01, thebeast wrote:

They did the right thing with the information they had and they would do the same thing again if given the opportunity. They also did the world a favor by ousting Sadam out of power. He was no good for the world and no good for his own country.

The Iraqi people were happy to be rid of Saddam but they were not happy to have unelected western individuals determine the fate of their country.

They don't want a dictatorship back and also they don't want an American dictatorship either. The US administration also said itself after the invasion that they can't give the people of iraq democracy or else they will vote in an islamic state which is unacceptable to the US.

The US is not interested in democracy either unless it fulfills their objectives in the region.

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by mymy on Sep 30^th, 2004, 10:31am

on 09/29/04 at 21:28:19, heinz_ketchup wrote:

it seem that the majority of iraqi civilians are being killed by their own

The Pentagon is fastidious, they know the amount of civilian casualties and also know how much morale this is going to drain. But unfortunately, they are not dealing with a normal enemies, they are dealing with people who are fighting for survival.

The Pentagon has fired thousands of missiles and dropped even more bombs, and whether or not the intention was not there does not matter, the result is the same.

The US government knows and also knew, completely well what the civilian casualties would be, threatening to bomb the hell out of your country unless you comply with our demands, knowing the amount of civilian casualties you will cause, is really no different than causing the casualties directly, both come with the understanding that you will cause the loss of life of civilians.

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by scottman on Sep 30^th, 2004, 10:46am

The amount of civilians killed by US and coalition forces in Iraq pales in comparison to the amount of civilians killed by Sadam, their leader... hmmmm; go figure.

Title: Re: Blair: No apology for Iraq war
Post by thebeast on Oct 1^st, 2004, 9:56am

Some of you are to caught up in this Weapons of Mass Destruction qoute that Bush made. This was only one of many reasons why Bush and Congress did what they did. Its like you cant get it out of your heads. When the facts are 1. The UN policy with Iraq was if Iraq did not live up to the agreement made after Dessert Storm "serious consequences would result" What does serious consequences mean? Well it could mean "Okay Sadam you better not do what you been doing or we are gonna talk more about how we can make life difficult for you." Im sure this does a lot of good. Especially when we have been doing it ever since Dessert Storm in 1991. The WMD was just one of a lot of reasons. Sadam was not playing by the rules he was forced to follow after Dessert Storm. To me serious consequences means taking care of the problem. You cant change someone who isnt gonna change. The average Iraqi want a democratic government in Iraq. This isnt an easy thing to do. Anytime you want to be free there has to be sacrafices made. Innocent people being killed is one of the sacrafices. Think of all the philippinos that died for the filippines to be free from the japanese. I wonder how many of those killed during that time were just innocent bystanders? Im willing to say a lot. Would anyone want to live in Iraq the way it was. What about a new Iraq where you can elect whom you want to lead you. How much better is this gonna be for the people as a whole. When you want things like this people are gonna get killed. It is sad but in the long run it is worth the struggle. The avereage Iraqi just wants to live in peace and take care of his family and worship in the way he wants to worship. With Sadam in power they were never gonna have this. This liberal fanatic whinning about Bush and Blair supposedly lying about WMD, which isnt true, can be taken to the extent where it makes me sick. Innocent people were gonna die even if the United States didnt liberate Iraq. Its like you say its okay for Sadam to murder his own people purposely yet its wrong for the United States to accidently cause loss of life to civilans while trying to make things better for them. Im not one to forget my history and where I come from. It seems that some people have forgoten thiers. They start to take what they have for granted. Think the freedom they have has always been there. It saddens me to see innocent people die, but to me its worth it when people who dont have freedom that everyone living on this planet deserves.