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(Message started by: mylane on Jul 2nd, 2005, 10:34pm)
Title: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by mylane on Jul 2nd, 2005, 10:34pm



For the guys: Will you marry her or not?

For the girls:  What will you do?

whats your stand on this one guys?

post away!
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by kim on Jul 5th, 2005, 11:26am
I'm against abortion so first of all women should do all the means available not to get preggy at all but if it ever happens i think we should be responsible enough for our actions and go though with the pregnancy. If you dont love the guy and you dont want to marry him then dont. Marriage is not the solution.  ;)
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Jul 8th, 2005, 2:21am
Abortion is not a good  thing but if its legal what you gonna do about it? I think if a girl or a couple want to have an abortion its their right. The final decision should be the females. She the one who is gonna be carrying it around. It should be avoided if all possible. I known a few women who have had abortions. Its not easy to deal with after. Lots of guilt and latter on regret involved. Having the baby and putting it up for adoption is an alternative. But for me that would be even more difficult than getting an abortion. And I would imagine it would be even harder on the woman because she is the one carrying the child around. Hard to go through something like that then just give the baby away to someone else. You become attatched to it so much. Also its expensive to adopt and not as easy as one would think to adopt a new born here in the states. I know lots of people going over to Europe and Asia to adopt kids because its less expensive i think. I wanted the mother of my daughter to get an abortion. I am thankful she didnt though. It dont matter if a child is planned or not because a child born to you is probably the greatest blessing anyone can get.  When you are 21 years old things like that scare you. I know that now. So I kinda have a mixed opinion on the subject.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 9th, 2005, 10:25am
I think an abortion should only be done if its risky for the mother to keep the pregnancy. And If its really necessary to have one..dont wait till the baby's big enough to have a human shape inside the womb. Act on it the minute a girl suspects. But it is best to think about the consequences first, like if you can carry the guilt all your life. And mind you, its not always safe to have an abortion. So when u do it just please remember that aside from commiting a mortal sin, the woman is also putting her life in jeopardy. And who knows? Maybe if u let the baby live, it would eventually change ur miserable life for the better?
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by mylane on Jul 20th, 2005, 6:35pm
Marriage is not always the solution.

I don't think I will have unwanted pregnancy....cause i will sure be on pills once i get my sex life active....lol lol ;D

I'm against abortion....extensive used of birth control is the solution.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by kim on Jul 22nd, 2005, 10:35am
I'm sure that i wont get preggy unwantedly but there is probably a chance that i
d get preggy unplanned  ;)... N if ever that happens im not for abortion. N ya marriege is not the solution either
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by mixin4livin on Nov 29th, 2005, 2:49am
Ohhh  U People are thinking too much...Use the Butty To Explore ... Safer from the back door LMAO [smiley=spank.gif] [smiley=spank.gif] [smiley=spank.gif] [smiley=spank.gif] [smiley=crazysmile.gif]
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by okasantina on Jan 31st, 2006, 11:30am

on 11/29/05 at 02:49:48, mixin4livin wrote:
Ohhh  U People are thinking too much...Use the Butty To Explore ... Safer from the back door LMAO [smiley=spank.gif] [smiley=spank.gif] [smiley=spank.gif] [smiley=spank.gif] [smiley=crazysmile.gif]


:o :o :o rj .... u mean ?  :o :o [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif]
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by astrobloke on Jan 31st, 2006, 2:38pm

on 07/05/05 at 11:26:24, kim wrote:
If you dont love the guy and you dont want to marry him then dont. Marriage is not the solution.  ;)


100% agree.


As for you RJ , your one crazy dude  [smiley=roll.gif]
For me, the back door is an exit only  :P
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Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Feb 1st, 2006, 6:45am

on 01/31/06 at 14:38:38, astrobloke wrote:
100% agree.


As for you RJ , your one crazy dude  [smiley=roll.gif]
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You just found out?

Actually some couples marry for that very reason, unwanted pregnancy. What can you say about the guys who do it? Are they really the responsible sorts or just don't want to look the jerk in the eyes of family and acquaintances?
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 2nd, 2006, 8:46pm
I dont think a pregnancy is any reason to get married. My son's mother did that and was just a big mess. They divorced plus they guy she married treated my son like crap and he beat him. Never gave him any attention and my son, who I never knew about till a few years ago, was confused. He not look like the guy he thought was his father and he not look like any of his brothers. So you see what getting married just to save face will get you. Thats not even including the regret and anger I feel sometimes. So you see marrying someone out of necessity usually just causes more problems in both the short and long run for everyone involved.  Sometimes love isnt even enough. So if you both dont love each other...then dont get married. You got no business even thinking about getting married if you dont.  A man can still be a father and not be your husband...and if he dont want to be involved with his own child...well screw him then..the child and the mother are better off without him anyway.  
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Feb 3rd, 2006, 1:53am
All I can say is that love between two persons is not a guarantee that they are going to have a succesful marriage. Sometimes I think loving the other person is bad enough coz you give that other person the power to hurt you. And too, I have seen successful marriage where they are forced to coz of unwanted pregnancy. I guess you will just have to take your responsibilities more seriously and as long as you both have respect for each other, I think a marriage for this reason has a chance of making it. Unless of course it is a one-night stand affair. But if it's between two persons who is on a relationship, I think it's ok to marry due to unwanted pregnancy. Depends on one's moral values, I guess.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by mixin4livin on Feb 4th, 2006, 1:06am
Yo Yo Yo! I still Preffer the Bootay to avoid pregnancy lmao... Anyways people who are doing that thingy should be really caution when they are doing it. But if u are not sure of your self think use a pill that will avoid pregnancy, Think theres a pill which has to be taken within 72 hours after the session lol

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Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 4th, 2006, 10:41pm
I say no to abortion.  People just have to be responsible for all their actions.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 4th, 2006, 11:10pm
short and sweet- abortion is murder
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by feso on Feb 5th, 2006, 12:17am
down with abortion!!!!!!!!!!!.............if u didnt want a kid should of wrapped up ur thang!!!!!!!!!............theres alternatives to sex also.........doesnt always gotta be sex sex sex........
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Feb 5th, 2006, 7:31am

Quote:
doesnt always gotta be sex sex sex........


I like it when men say things like these! I remember a time when someone has told me that sex is only secondary with what he wants from me. And in the next breath said "but lets save the primary for last since it's the best. Let's do the secondary first! LMAO! [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif]
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 5th, 2006, 11:57am
hahaha sistah!  Good to know men are against abortion though....I hope they dont change views on that when they find themselves in situations where they will have to decide on it.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by mixin4livin on Feb 5th, 2006, 3:47pm

on 02/05/06 at 11:57:59, Justine wrote:
hahaha sistah!  Good to know men are against abortion though....I hope they dont change views on that when they find themselves in situations where they will have to decide on it.

Well well well... As usual heres my comment.. Im against pregnancy before marriage. Even after marriage it should be on bothes choice. Im against abortion too thats why I go from the back door hahaha ;D
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 6th, 2006, 4:18am
lol......sure, there can be ways to avoid pregnancy but the issue here is unwanted pregnancy so whether a couple planned or agreed on pregnancy or not, it should still be dealt with properly.  Still no to abortion, no one has the right to take innocent lives.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Gracia on Feb 6th, 2006, 4:34am
If the couple decided to marry because of that untimely pregnancy...maybe they wanted to try and perhaps they're thinking it might work.  However, if you want to push marriage even if it's obvious that they don't favor the idea, most probably that marriage will turn into a disaster.  It would be best to let the couple decide without encouraging or discouraging them.  I'm hoping abortion is not the solution though.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 6th, 2006, 7:52am
Abortion is never a solution...and I believe it is also wrong to marry someone that you dont love because there is a baby on the way, it will be more harmful to the child in the long run. and hopefully a man will be a man and provide for the child.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Feb 6th, 2006, 8:50am
Let's not forget that a child don't just need a financial support in their formative years. They need stability, too. And someone around to make them feel safe and comforted and there are no substitutes for real parents, if the parents are responsibles of course. Sometimes there are things only a mother can teach the child and the same thing goes for fathers too.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 6th, 2006, 9:03pm

on 02/06/06 at 08:50:01, Wicked_Witch wrote:
Let's not forget that a child don't just need a financial support in their formative years. They need stability, too. And someone around to make them feel safe and comforted and there are no substitutes for real parents, if the parents are responsibles of course. Sometimes there are things only a mother can teach the child and the same thing goes for fathers too.



agreed, but the child doesnt need for two supportive parents to be married to each other if there is no love..they can still be supportive and not be married to each other
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Feb 7th, 2006, 3:19am

on 02/06/06 at 21:03:15, wildheart41004 wrote:
agreed, but the child doesnt need for two supportive parents to be married to each other if there is no love..they can still be supportive and not be married to each other


Maybe I'm a little conservative but I always find it unfair that kids has to be dangled like a pendulum between two parents. I always think it will be traumatic for a child to be raised that way. No matter how good is the front they show everyone, deep inside it makes them disillusioned about some things in life. Even if they have accepted the fact, it doesn't mean they are normally growing up. I even think it would be better for them to be raised by a single parent alone,  the other parent just in the background.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 7th, 2006, 6:26am

on 02/07/06 at 03:19:39, Wicked_Witch wrote:
Maybe I'm a little conservative but I always find it unfair that kids has to be dangled like a pendulum between two parents. I always think it will be traumatic for a child to be raised that way. No matter how good is the front they show everyone, deep inside it makes them disillusioned about some things in life. Even if they have accepted the fact, it doesn't mean they are normally growing up. I even think it would be better for them to be raised by a single parent alone,  the other parent just in the background.



But wouldnt it be more traumatic if the parents were married but not in love and fought and argued at home in front of the child. or that the parents possibly take it out on the child that they are in a loveless marriage?
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 7th, 2006, 7:48am

on 02/07/06 at 06:26:52, wildheart41004 wrote:
But wouldnt it be more traumatic if the parents were married but not in love and fought and argued at home in front of the child. or that the parents possibly take it out on the child that they are in a loveless marriage?


It can be traumatic. If the differences between a couple have been turning out to be disastrous and unhealthy for the kids, something should definitely be done.

Kids are precious gifts from above, not all are given the chance to have and enjoy them.  So it's really sad thinking about how some people consider and go through abortion.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 7th, 2006, 5:04pm
and a good percentage of abortions are done without a second thought..only thought of as an inconvienence.....sad world we live in
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 7th, 2006, 5:50pm
It's no perfect world, there will always be sad times and happy times.  I just hope more people will realize the importance of life.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 7th, 2006, 6:34pm

on 02/07/06 at 17:50:54, Justine wrote:
It's no perfect world, there will always be sad times and happy times.  I just hope more people will realize the importance of life.



we all need to pray for that
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 8th, 2006, 7:12pm

on 02/06/06 at 04:18:13, Justine wrote:
lol......sure, there can be ways to avoid pregnancy but the issue here is unwanted pregnancy so whether a couple planned or agreed on pregnancy or not, it should still be dealt with properly.  Still no to abortion, no one has the right to take innocent lives.


What if the woman was raped or incest is involved? I know it doesnt happen a lot but it does happen. Is it okay for her to have an abortion then? Look..to me its not a question of right and wrong..its a question of what is best for the people involved. Lots of articles and factual information about the unborn baby not even being alive at some point during the first trimester. Heartbeats dont even happen untill the 18th or 25th day. Brain function is not present till at least 40 days into pregnancy. Also factual information that proves the unborn baby is a living cell within the mothers womb. There is usually always a gray area involved when you are talking about abortion with right and wrong. I think murder is a harsh word. Is it still murder if the woman was raped? Murder is murder and there are no exceptions to that. If it was murder then why would it be legal to do it in some countries? I think it should be avoided if its possible but the fact is its a choice that the parties involved need to make. What if the unborn fetus is determined to be mentally disabled? Is it better to abort the baby? What if the baby is diagnonsed with some kind of disease thats gonna cause not only the baby, but the parents as well to only live a life in a lot of physical and emotional pain? What if having the baby is dangerous for  the mother and it could kill her if she has it?  Is it right then? It would be kind of hypocritical to say well its okay for those people who are in those situations to have an abortion and to say its not okay for others to get one for whatever reason they had. Its hard to distinguish whats right and wrong because the morals of society get in the way and try to influence you to think this way or that way. As far as a biblical stand of the issue..only thing I am aware of is..thou shall not kill...well thats kind of general. But I am sure there is a southern baptist preacher who can find some scripture that he can manipulate to make abortion wrong. Abortion wasnt even known about in those days. It is no different than the right to die issue. All the unborn fetus is a vegetable just like a person in a coma who is hooked up to a breathing machine just to be alive. And I know if I am only kept alive by machines at any point in my life and there is no chance for me to survive on my own, I hope and pray the ones who love me will pull the plug and get on with thier lives and let me be with my maker.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 10th, 2006, 12:03am
why can a pregnant woman be charged with child abuse if she takes drugs during pregnancy or someone causing a traffic accident that kills an unborn child gets charged with murder if it's ok for the child to be aborted?
as far as rape or incest, sorry a woman would have to go through that but is this the childs fault? should the child have to pay for the sins of another with his/her life?
my nephew and his wife were told there child would be mentally disabled and yet when the child was bord..tadaaaa..no birth defects.
thou shalt not kill refered to human life and yes an unborn child is human life.

I understand all of what beast said and how hard some decisions would be, but what gives us the right to take an innocent life?
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 10th, 2006, 12:53am
Well I think a pregnant woman on drugs should be charged and dealt with on some kind of legal level....but I also think if a woman is pregnant and on drugs needs to have an abortion...nothing more sad than a baby that is born and its a crack addict. My honesty may offend others because its not pretty or perfect..but we do not live in a pretty and perfect world.. Look you got mothers all over leaving thier new born kids in the garbage for the trashman to pick up...I not understand why they do it. All they got to do is go to the police, the firestation or even the hospital and give the baby to them and they will take care of it. Shame has a lot to do with it I guess. As far as what gives us the right to take an innocent life goes?.....What gives us the right to let a baby be born who is gonna be in physical pain or a crack baby with kidneys that dont work...did the baby ask to be born like that? Its a decison that has to be made and one that I will never call right or wrong. I am even willing to bet some of  these women  protestors picketing these clinics that perform abortions even had abortions themselves or maybe they even took thier own teenage daughters to get abortions. So you see how hypocritical it all is. Its easy to say something is wrong until you are in the situation. Then a changing of mind occurs and the same women who were telling everyone abortion was wrong are getting an abortion and then they justify it by telling themselves..well my situation was different because of this reason and that reason so its okay.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 10th, 2006, 4:21am
the problem is 8 out of ten abortions are done because the kid would be an inconvience...and no doctor can tell if a baby will be mentally or physically disabled before birth..I seen them proved wrong too many times.

and I also see women who have had abortion and regret their decision and now have to try to live with the fact they murdered their child..a human life destroyed..I've heard all the arguements defending abortion and none of them have made me change my mind..and I have a feeling nothing ever would..thats just who I am. God bless the babies, born and unborn..God help us all
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Feb 10th, 2006, 4:50am
I daresay that abortion should only be performed on two reasons...if it endangers the mother's life...and two...if it has been determined already that the baby would also be infected like the mother...as in a case of AIDS. But if it's only because the mother is a rape victim, that's not good enough reason. Maybe there is unwanted pregnancy....but there should never be unwanted babies. If the mother thinks the baby would be an embarassment or would hinder something, then by all means have the baby and give it to someone else. But pls, no leaving on doorsteps or trashcans. I hate to think a stray dog might mistook if for food or rats will get there first before the authorities or someone more compassionate.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 10th, 2006, 8:59am

on 02/10/06 at 04:21:03, wildheart41004 wrote:
the problem is 8 out of ten abortions are done because the kid would be an inconvience...and no doctor can tell if a baby will be mentally or physically disabled before birth..I seen them proved wrong too many times.


What are u talking about? The technology now days for determining the health of a unborn child is very good. Ultrasound is a very good diagnostic tool to determine this. If a baby has downs syndrom all u got to do is to take measurements of the skull. They could be wrong but very rarely.

Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 10th, 2006, 1:14pm
Some people wouldn't give up easily.  As a believer, I would stand firm, saying no to abortion even if it's a possible threat to my life or if I was a rape victim.  A bad situation doesn't need a bad solution.  But well, different people, different views.  Things happen for reasons we may not know right away, life is that mysterious, and we will always be held responsible for all our actions.  I'm a believer of life and I do believe in miracles.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by MissFartyPants on Feb 10th, 2006, 1:41pm

on 02/10/06 at 04:50:25, Wicked_Witch wrote:
I daresay that abortion should only be performed on two reasons...if it endangers the mother's life...and two...if it has been determined already that the baby would also be infected like the mother...as in a case of AIDS. But if it's only because the mother is a rape victim, that's not good enough reason. Maybe there is unwanted pregnancy....but there should never be unwanted babies. If the mother thinks the baby would be an embarassment or would hinder something, then by all means have the baby and give it to someone else. But pls, no leaving on doorsteps or trashcans. I hate to think a stray dog might mistook if for food or rats will get there first before the authorities or someone more compassionate.



Well said Edith.  ;)
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by MissFartyPants on Feb 10th, 2006, 1:44pm

on 02/10/06 at 13:14:16, Justine wrote:
Some people wouldn't give up easily.  As a believer, I would stand firm, saying no to abortion even if it's a possible threat to my life or if I was a rape victim.  A bad situation doesn't need a bad solution.  But well, different people, different views.  Things happen for reasons we may not know right away, life is that mysterious, and we will always be held responsible for all our actions.  I'm a believer of life and I do believe in miracles.


I'm with you all the way, Justine. No to abortion - what ever the reason may be. I could not have said it any better.

Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 10th, 2006, 6:23pm

on 02/10/06 at 08:59:30, thebeast wrote:
What are u talking about? The technology now days for determining the health of a unborn child is very good. Ultrasound is a very good diagnostic tool to determine this. If a baby has downs syndrom all u got to do is to take measurements of the skull. They could be wrong but very rarely.


once again I say, I have seen time and time again when doctors telling parents that a child will be disabled, a child will be mentally disable, and by the goodness of the mothers they saw these pregnancys through and had healthy babies..I have a sister who works head of maternaty in a hospital and she sees this all the time.

my nephews woman being one of them was told the baby had a hole in its back and his spine will never fully develope and would be born totally paralized, she was offered the money for an abortion by her grandparents, she refused and the baby was born very healthy not a thing wrong with his back

as far as kids with down syndrome, they are the most loving people in the world, the only reason someone would abort for that reason would be either embarrassment or they see what that would do their own lives and how it will effect themselves, not the babies
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 10th, 2006, 6:25pm

on 02/10/06 at 13:14:16, Justine wrote:
Some people wouldn't give up easily.  As a believer, I would stand firm, saying no to abortion even if it's a possible threat to my life or if I was a rape victim.  A bad situation doesn't need a bad solution.  But well, different people, different views.  Things happen for reasons we may not know right away, life is that mysterious, and we will always be held responsible for all our actions.  I'm a believer of life and I do believe in miracles.


yes ma'am, well said
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 10th, 2006, 8:22pm

on 02/10/06 at 04:50:25, Wicked_Witch wrote:
I daresay that abortion should only be performed on two reasons...if it endangers the mother's life...and two...if it has been determined already that the baby would also be infected like the mother...as in a case of AIDS. But if it's only because the mother is a rape victim, that's not good enough reason. Maybe there is unwanted pregnancy....but there should never be unwanted babies. If the mother thinks the baby would be an embarassment or would hinder something, then by all means have the baby and give it to someone else. But pls, no leaving on doorsteps or trashcans. I hate to think a stray dog might mistook if for food or rats will get there first before the authorities or someone more compassionate.


Edith think about what you are saying...if a woman was raped and got pregnant and had the baby...every day she looks at the baby its gonna remind her of the traumatic experience..I say have an abortion and get on with your life. And you cant have it this way for  those people and another way for the other people.. :-* And yes the woman who was raped could put it up for adoption...but think about it she gonna be carrying the fetus for 9 months..she gonna be depressed and have psycological problems and when born the baby will more than likely have problems due to the mother not taking care of herself..cuz she not want the baby in the first place.  ::)
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 10th, 2006, 8:28pm
I think you have all miss my point..i not saying its right or wrong..I saying I dont know if its right or wrong. I say its up to the people involved..If you all so rightious about it..if it were possible..would you have the baby for these people who wanted abortions? I know its not possible but what if it were?
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 10th, 2006, 8:50pm

on 02/10/06 at 20:28:58, thebeast wrote:
I think you have all miss my point..i not saying its right or wrong..I saying I dont know if its right or wrong. I say its up to the people involved..If you all so rightious about it..if it were possible..would you have the baby for these people who wanted abortions? I know its not possible but what if it were?


yes, I would
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 11th, 2006, 2:05am

on 02/10/06 at 20:50:11, wildheart41004 wrote:
yes, I would


You didnt let me finish...I was at work and got busy. lol
Okay where was I? What if all the people who were against abortion could have the babies of the people who wanted them? I know its not possible but what if it were??? Would you do it? wildheart is not being honest...first of all he is a man and both he and I wouldnt even dream of going through childbirth. You have to be honest with yourself here. Most would say...well its not me who screwed up or got pregnant or its not mine or this or that or some other excuse. You can never know what you would do until you are really in that situation. Its easy to say something is right or wrong but its real funny when you are in the situation all of a sudden you look at things a lot differently and say to yourself well what is best. Am I the only one who thinks bringing a kid in the world, who isnt loved, or who has some kind of mental or physically problem that causes him pain would be a cruel thing? Sometimes you have to let go....and you cant have it both ways. I have known lots of women who have had abortions. Its their right to do it if they want to. If you gonna be all high and mighty about it then no one has the right to take the life of anyone..but guess what...it happens. I not particulary like it but it does happen.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 11th, 2006, 3:47am
Joel....what are you really trying to prove here?  We are all stating our opinions and views about this issue.  I also have friends who had abortions and they all regret that move, feeling so guilty.  You are definitely not the only one who favors abortion for some reasons.  Maybe some people believe they really can get away with it and it's all up to them.  

You are right about saying "You can never know what you would do until you are really in that situation" that is so true.  But we can never know either what can really happen next, the consequences we have to take and the price we have to pay.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by wildheart41004 on Feb 11th, 2006, 8:24am

on 02/11/06 at 03:47:10, Justine wrote:
Joel....what are you really trying to prove here?  We are all stating our opinions and views about this issue.  I also have friends who had abortions and they all regret that move, feeling so guilty.  You are definitely not the only one who favors abortion for some reasons.  Maybe some people believe they really can get away with it and it's all up to them.  

You are right about saying "You can never know what you would do until you are really in that situation" that is so true.  But we can never know either what can really happen next, the consequences we have to take and the price we have to pay.



wow, beauty and a brain..well said
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Feb 12th, 2006, 7:36am

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wildheart is not being honest...first of all he is a man and both he and I wouldnt even dream of going through childbirth


I hope you are joking here, Joel because that is a stupid remark. And I want to tell you also that feeling a life growing inside a woman's womb can make a turnabout for what she feels towards the baby before she decided to let it live. And I think there are only few cases wherein the mother has continually blame the child for what was done to her by the father. Besides, this "hating" thing do not only comes from unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes the parent blames the child if something happens to the marriage or the relationship though they have both decided to have a child.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 14th, 2006, 12:12am

on 02/12/06 at 07:36:19, Wicked_Witch wrote:
I hope you are joking here, Joel because that is a stupid remark. And I want to tell you also that feeling a life growing inside a woman's womb can make a turnabout for what she feels towards the baby before she decided to let it live. And I think there are only few cases wherein the mother has continually blame the child for what was done to her by the father. Besides, this "hating" thing do not only comes from unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes the parent blames the child if something happens to the marriage or the relationship though they have both decided to have a child.


How is what I said a stupid remark??? Wildheart is a male and he said he would have the baby??? Thats impossible..to me that would be a stupid remark..I am being honest when I say males wouldnt want to go through childbirth... I not mean help the woman through it...I mean actually having the baby. But if it were possible and someone wanted an abortion and asked me to have the baby for them and you could transfer the condition to me and then i would be pregnant....I would say hell no...its not me who got pregnant..its not mine...and I truely believe if you put anyone in this situation...they would react the same way...the only people who would do this would be the people who wanted children and couldnt have children due to some kind of physical condition. Be real Edith..if someone came to you and asked you to have thier baby and that ment you would have to go through the whole process of childbirth...what are u gonna say???
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 14th, 2006, 12:34am

on 02/11/06 at 03:47:10, Justine wrote:
Joel....what are you really trying to prove here?  We are all stating our opinions and views about this issue.  I also have friends who had abortions and they all regret that move, feeling so guilty.  You are definitely not the only one who favors abortion for some reasons.  Maybe some people believe they really can get away with it and it's all up to them.  

You are right about saying "You can never know what you would do until you are really in that situation" that is so true.  But we can never know either what can really happen next, the consequences we have to take and the price we have to pay.


Get away with what? Life has all kinds of decisions to make.  Mistakes are made...are they mistakes? Maybe so maybe not.  I stated before my daughter was the best mistake in my life..even my father told me I was a mistake. It dont mean he didnt love me. Just means i wasnt planned just like my daughter was. It is all the way you look at it. Life goes on regaurdless of what happens. A 16 year old can get pregnant and get an abortion...and graduate high school, graduate college, get married to a man who loves her and she loves and have other children, and be a success. How can you call that a mistake? I not know if it is or isnt. I do know she dont need hipocrytes pointing thier fingers at her saying you did wrong you did wrong. You will burn in hell for what you did. How could you live with yourself with what you did? You are a murderer! On the other hand a 16 year old can get pregnant choose to have the baby, drop out of high school, raise the kid on her own or with the help of her parents, life is a constant struggle for her, she is gonna have to rely on other people more, because she is young and she has no idea how to be a parent cuz she is still a kid herself. Is this a mistake? I dont know. I not saying it is or it isnt. What I do say its her right and her choice.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 14th, 2006, 9:12am

on 02/14/06 at 00:12:34, thebeast wrote:
How is what I said a stupid remark??? Wildheart is a male and he said he would have the baby??? Thats impossible..to me that would be a stupid remark..I am being honest when I say males wouldnt want to go through childbirth... I not mean help the woman through it...I mean actually having the baby. But if it were possible and someone wanted an abortion and asked me to have the baby for them and you could transfer the condition to me and then i would be pregnant....I would say hell no...its not me who got pregnant..its not mine...and I truely believe if you put anyone in this situation...they would react the same way...the only people who would do this would be the people who wanted children and couldnt have children due to some kind of physical condition. Be real Edith..if someone came to you and asked you to have thier baby and that ment you would have to go through the whole process of childbirth...what are u gonna say???


You're just being so literal is what I think.  Of course it is known that Wildheart is a male and cannot bear a child.

You said it there, yourself, there are people who would say yes to going through the troubles of having others' children but definitely not only the ones who are incapable of having their own.  Yes, Joel, people like you may find it hard to believe (and I'm not saying it's abnormal)  but I personally know some people who took the responsibility not for their own sake but for the sake of saving lives.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 14th, 2006, 9:17am

on 02/14/06 at 00:34:17, thebeast wrote:
Get away with what? Life has all kinds of decisions to make.  Mistakes are made...are they mistakes? Maybe so maybe not.  I stated before my daughter was the best mistake in my life..even my father told me I was a mistake. It dont mean he didnt love me. Just means i wasnt planned just like my daughter was. It is all the way you look at it. Life goes on regaurdless of what happens. A 16 year old can get pregnant and get an abortion...and graduate high school, graduate college, get married to a man who loves her and she loves and have other children, and be a success. How can you call that a mistake? I not know if it is or isnt. I do know she dont need hipocrytes pointing thier fingers at her saying you did wrong you did wrong. You will burn in hell for what you did. How could you live with yourself with what you did? You are a murderer! On the other hand a 16 year old can get pregnant choose to have the baby, drop out of high school, raise the kid on her own or with the help of her parents, life is a constant struggle for her, she is gonna have to rely on other people more, because she is young and she has no idea how to be a parent cuz she is still a kid herself. Is this a mistake? I dont know. I not saying it is or it isnt. What I do say its her right and her choice.

Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 14th, 2006, 9:39am
I state my views based on what I believe.  Thou shall not kill.  If other people do not take that as a commandment, it is up to them.  We all got choices to make, it is everyone's right.  I am not God, nor a saint, nor an angel to be judging other people, but seeing and knowing innocent lives being taken makes me feel sad.

I cannot and do not speak for other people about their own views on this issue.  I just know that if such an untoward incident happened to me, I will not resort to abortion, no matter how hard it can be, simply because it is against my values.  Life does go on, no matter what.  But I don't want to have the feeling of guilt and deep regrets as I live that life.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 14th, 2006, 11:50pm

on 02/14/06 at 09:39:50, Justine wrote:
I state my views based on what I believe.  Thou shall not kill.  If other people do not take that as a commandment, it is up to them.  We all got choices to make, it is everyone's right.  I am not God, nor a saint, nor an angel to be judging other people, but seeing and knowing innocent lives being taken makes me feel sad.

I cannot and do not speak for other people about their own views on this issue.  I just know that if such an untoward incident happened to me, I will not resort to abortion, no matter how hard it can be, simply because it is against my values.  Life does go on, no matter what.  But I don't want to have the feeling of guilt and deep regrets as I live that life.

The answer I was looking for just  ;D
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Feb 15th, 2006, 3:15am

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How is what I said a stupid remarkHuh Wildheart is a male and he said he would have the babyHuh Thats impossible..to me that would be a stupid remark..I am being honest when I say males wouldnt want to go through childbirth... I not mean help the woman through it...I mean actually having the baby. But if it were possible and someone wanted an abortion and asked me to have the baby for them and you could transfer the condition to me and then i would be pregnant....I would say hell no...its not me who got pregnant..its not mine...and I truely believe if you put anyone in this situation...they would react the same way...the only people who would do this would be the people who wanted children and couldnt have children due to some kind of physical condition. Be real Edith..if someone came to you and asked you to have thier baby and that ment you would have to go through the whole process of childbirth...what are u gonna say


I said it's a stupid remark coz you took wildheart's words literally. Don't play dumb. You know men don't give birth. And when I say adopting the baby it doesn't mean I should or want to have to go thru the process of childbirth? Sheez...are you saying that the real problems come during the pregnancy period and not the responsibility that comes after bringing the child into this world? If you are the pregnant woman I would call you vain.


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The answer I was looking for just  ;D


[b]You agree now so it's settled then? Good! Btw, what has been settled? ??? [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif]
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by thebeast on Feb 17th, 2006, 2:09am

on 02/15/06 at 03:15:55, Wicked_Witch wrote:
You agree now so it's settled then? Good! Btw, what has been settled? ??? [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif]

First of all I not agree with her opinion. I not know what was settled..but it was an interesting debate. I just think killing is a harsh word to use when discussing abortion because there is factual evidence that what is unborn is not living. I guess everyone miss my point of the abortion and right to die issue as being very similar. Edith if u are hooked up to machines in order to survive and you cannot communicate and all you are is a vegetible and nothing but misery if waiting for you if you become conscience..what would you want the ones who loved you to do? If they pull the plug they kill you? Is not kill/murder the wrong word to use? Yes you have had a life but does that make it any more or less important? You would want what you would want. Its your life and your choice. In reality you are no different than the unborn.  Look ...dont really matter what anyone thinks anyway..In the US abortion is legal and nothing ever gonna change that. In other countries where it may not be legal..it still dont matter..if someone wants one they will still get it. So it would probably be a more sanitary and safer thing just to let them do it.  I think my approach that what is best is more modern and in lots of ways more civil. My parents are very conservative republicans and so am I. Except for this issue that I not really take a liberal approach or a conservative approach. I  just say its a persons body and they have a right to do what they want. If you start making everyone live the way that this group of people thinks just think what could happen next? censorship, the right to pursue what makes the individual happy. Freedom is just that freedom. That is what people dont understand. You have to be willing to accept a lot of stuff that you might not agree with in order to be free.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Feb 17th, 2006, 4:42am
Joel....how can you say that an unborn child is not "living"? It has a pulse and it's growing! Aside from the fact that it's a human being? Like I said, I am not a conventional person or that I am a self-righteous one or that I always adhere to what is right and what is wrong. Because I am NOT. I have always care for what is FAIR and what is UNFAIR. I don't care if something is right or wrong. What I care about is if it's a justifiable thing to do. And the only time I would agree to an abortion are for reasons I previously stated, if it will endanger the mother, or if the baby has already been diagnosed with ailments that will make it impossible for it to live a normal life. And I have always admitted to agreeing with mercy killing in some cases. Because I believe that people always have a choice about their lives...but not OTHER people's lives and that include UNBORN BABIES.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Justine on Feb 17th, 2006, 9:02am
I believe so too, sistah........I believe I have the right to make choices and I can, concerning my own life.  I believe I have no right to take other's.  I believe in the valuable gift of life and giving unborn children the chance to live it like I you and I were given.  

I do not agree with Joel's opinions either.  So what, we are all entitled to our own opinions and beliefs.  He has the freedom to make his own choices and so do I.  Whatever he thinks of me or what I believe does not really matter, it does not change my views anyway.
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by kim on Feb 24th, 2006, 11:25am
1st point: I think this issue is more of a political thing than a sexual thing....

2nd point: I recently attended a debate about abortion and i found out that in countries where abortion is legal it is said that " unless the fetus already resembles a human being, it is not yet abortion if the female choses to remove it" abortion is defined as " the medical termination of a pregnancy before the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the uterus." But some people stretch and bend the meaning to justify certain issues

3rd point: the abortion thread can be seen in the "government and politics" treads  ;D

4th point: It is best to prevent unwanted pregnancies rather than have to deal with it later on.

5th point: I wont result into abortion if i ever get preggy at the wrong time but i also DO NOT condemn those who chose abortion. As many women would say IT IS A CHOICE. And i respect other peoples opinios and choices  ;)
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by kim on Feb 24th, 2006, 11:25am
1st point: I think this issue is more of a political thing than a sexual thing....

2nd point: I recently attended a debate about abortion and i found out that in countries where abortion is legal it is said that " unless the fetus already resembles a human being, it is not yet abortion if the female choses to remove it" abortion is defined as " the medical termination of a pregnancy before the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the uterus." But some people stretch and bend the meaning to justify certain issues

3rd point: the abortion thread can be seen in the "government and politics" treads  ;D

4th point: It is best to prevent unwanted pregnancies rather than have to deal with it later on.

5th point: I wont result into abortion if i ever get preggy at the wrong time but i also DO NOT condemn those who chose abortion. As many women would say IT IS A CHOICE. And i respect other peoples opinios and choices  ;)
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Mar 17th, 2006, 1:45am
I just noticed, I think this topic belongs under Family Friends and Society. This topic is not politically correct. Hehehehe!
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by kim on Mar 17th, 2006, 5:49am
Actually this topic is very wide coz it can belong in the "all about sex, government and politics and in family friends and society. Because its has a lot to do with the sexual act first and foremost and then the morals of the family and finaly the legal choices a woman can make weather she want to abort the child or not. But to make the topic more specific i would agree in what you said mama witchy that it would probably be best to place it in the Family friends ans society  ;)
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Mar 18th, 2006, 2:33am
Yup....unless it mentions somewhere about a government issuing a law on this where we can argue about the merit of the said law, then it becomes "politicky" ;D. And I agree that it can also be under "All about Sex" since sex is being discussed  her largely. But whichever of the two you decide is fine. I just thought it's out of place under govt. and politics. ;)
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by nOrKAy on Mar 18th, 2006, 5:07am

I do agree, Witchy. It really wondered me why ReeBop moved it here? He was probably working with eyes closed. Haha. So, Kimmy I think do it before we can go on with the topic. ;D
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by kim on Mar 19th, 2006, 5:20am
I asked ree to move it here from the "all about sex" threads coz it wasnt appropriate for the sex stuffs but then i just realized that its not right for this topic o be in here too  ;D
Title: Re: UNWANTED PREGNANCY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Mar 21st, 2006, 4:50am
Ok...let's ask Ree to move it to Family Friends and Society ;D


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