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(Message started by: mylane on May 2nd, 2004, 7:24am)
Title: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by mylane on May 2nd, 2004, 7:24am
From gravely ill and living in poverty to attending
boot camp and going on shopping sprees

By MICHELLE CARUSO AND ALEC BYRNE
New York DAILY NEWS
April 19, 2004

LOS ANGELES - The young cancer patient who has accused Michael Jackson of sexual abuse is now a robust teenager able to withstand the rigors of a military camp and scale 8-foot walls, the Daily News has learned.

He also has moved into a comfy condo on the city's upscale west side, and his mom is driving a new car.

It is a remarkably different picture from what the family's friends have described.

In the swirl of publicity after Jackson was arrested for allegedly molesting the boy in November, family friends said the boy was desperately ill - in dire need of a kidney transplant - and so poor that he and his siblings didn't even have beds.

Comedy club owner Jamie Masada, who introduced the accuser to Jackson, broke hearts across the nation when he described the 14-year-old boy's failing health and grim living conditions in a series of interviews late last year.

"He has only one kidney and it's failing him, and part of his face is swollen up. ... It just breaks your heart," Masada told The News in late November, adding that he donated bunk beds so the boy and his younger brother wouldn't have to sleep on the floor.

"They're poor people, simple people," Masada said.

In late December, he told The Associated Press, "The kid is not doing very good."

Weeks after Masada's heartrending media blitz, an in-depth investigation found the boy in good shape, despite his cancer bout, and strong enough to run, jump, scale fences and even hoist a rifle.

Masada, silenced by a court gag order, declined to comment.

The accuser and his mother are among the witnesses who reportedly have testified before a Santa Barbara County grand jury probing abuse allegations against the pop star.

The 19-member panel will decide if Jackson should be tried on the charges, which could send him to prison for 21 years.

Exclusive photos obtained by The News, which were shot during January and February, show the boy practicing grueling rifle drills with the Sea Cadet Corps, a boot-camp-style youth group, hanging out with friends and enjoying family outings.

The News investigation also raises questions about reports of the family's deprivation and poverty.

The accuser's mother was repeatedly seen driving her new red 2004 Volkswagen Jetta - with a $21,000 sticker price, a big-ticket purchase for someone struggling to make ends meet.

The family moved in with the mother's new boyfriend, Army Reserve Maj. Jay Jackson (no relation to Michael) sometime last year.

By January they had relocated to a pleasant two-bedroom condo near L.A.'s posh Brentwood neighborhood - a far cry from their former rundown apartment on the city's dicey east side.

The no-nonsense Maj. Jackson, 42, a personnel administrator for an L.A.-based Army unit, befriended the accuser's family about two years ago. He later found romance with the mother and took the family into his home last year.

The investigation revealed even more surprises.

On Jan. 21, the family's former attorney William Dickerman told The Associated Press the family was "in hiding" from the media, adding, "They're very private people."

However, 10 days later, the accuser's mother allowed the boy and his 13-year-old brother to go on an unsupervised dining and shopping spree with a local TV reporter.

Photos show Fox 11-KTTV's reporter Barbara Schroeder and the boys cheerfully chatting on the Jan. 31 excursion. They lunched at a café, shopped at an electronic games store, where the accuser emerged with a bag of goodies, and spent 40 minutes at a video arcade.

When Schroeder brought the kids back 21/2 hours later, the mom came outside to chat.

Alarmed by news reports that the boy was gravely ill, the boy's father, who is barred from seeing his kids because of convictions for domestic violence, rushed to court seeking emergency visitation and joint custody.

In court papers dated Jan. 27, two key law enforcement officials handling the Jackson sex-abuse case confirmed that the star witness against Michael Jackson is pretty healthy.

Santa Barbara County Senior Deputy District Attorney Ronald Zonen wrote: "[The boy] is in excellent health, not withstanding his prior battle with cancer. I spent the day with him Monday the 19th of January. He was in good spirits and presented himself as an entirely healthy 14-year-old boy. He is pursuing his education and is involved in sports and extracurricular activities."

Santa Barbara County Sheriff James Anderson agreed. "My investigators have met with [the boy] on two occasions within the last week and found him to appear in excellent health, despite his battle with cancer."

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wat do u think guys? ???
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by capricorn1971ad on May 2nd, 2004, 3:03pm
maybe a little bit of both mymy  ???

maybe they should just arrest him for making bad music instead  :o
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by mylane on May 3rd, 2004, 1:25am
lol cap...ahahahhaha...u dont like his moonwalk dance step huh...lol...


come on guys post ur opinion....:)


where is gracia, analyn and keen?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by capricorn1971ad on May 3rd, 2004, 8:44am
its a 3-some now?  :o

nah, i never cared to see someone trying to scrape doggy doo off of their shoe in public..
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by madd on May 3rd, 2004, 5:55pm
Well I think its half wanting to extort money and half because he is just weird.  If I had his money and fame, I would want at least 2 people with me full time to act as witnesses because I know people will come to just extort money from me.  On the other hand, if i'm a parent, I would certainly not want my kid staying at his place.  
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by thebeast on May 3rd, 2004, 7:11pm
Hey lock the freak up and throw away the key. He probably dont deserve to die but he do damn scary even to look at know.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by keensryche on May 3rd, 2004, 11:17pm
Neither, he's a sick pervert! He should do time, but like most aristracrates, he'll pay his way out of prison.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by mylane on May 4th, 2004, 6:50am
hahahaha yeah i agree...michael is really scary....and he keep denying that he never  undergone plastic surgery....

if u saw his documentary where he keep saying that the mommy of BLANKET (his youngest kid) is black but blanket is white....and etc etc....

he said that the only thing he changed  in his face was his nose so he can hit the high tone :-/
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by gracia on Sep 12th, 2004, 10:13pm
i think the name of the boy is "ben"....michael's marterpiece.   What can i say???? i've always known money can do wonders and twist things up.
good luck to all of them.  
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by mylane on Sep 12th, 2004, 10:25pm
I watched Michael Jackson's documentary, he said that he's planning to adopt a  boy and a girl (fair) in every nation.

Maybe he can adopt me and jc_penis ;D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by gracia on Sep 14th, 2004, 1:13am
Mylane....for the record...boy and girl....and i think you both passed that boy girl stage few years ago...so ur out of the list....maybe andrea and carlos ;D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by mylane on Sep 14th, 2004, 10:24am
shame on you gracia, all i need is a pony tail.... ;D as for jc...well i don't know...lol ;D

don't let michael adopt your two angels, give them to me instead as soon as michael adopt me..lol... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by celtic_god2003 on Sep 17th, 2004, 11:01pm
Michael Jackson is prime example of what fame can do to a childs mine and what is the result of a abusive overbearing father who forced him to sing and he was never allowed to be a child. Micheal londed to play with other kids but his father forced him to sing all the free time michael had. Michel never had a child but now he does i belive michael is still a child and needs to be guided he really doesnt know whats right and wrong he is a true victim of his father
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by norkay on Sep 18th, 2004, 12:08am
I also have watched Michael Jackson's documentary.I was convinced the accusations are true.I understand his childhood history but i dont agree on the way he treats some of the children,i think sleeping with those children in one bedroom is not proper especially that he's known as gay.About the question weather he's a victimizer or a victim, i think he's both.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by nelson3082000 on Nov 23rd, 2004, 12:19pm
why does everyone have an opionion becuse hes famous maybe,i cant understand why people cant butt out and lead there own lifes and be worried about that,i am so glad i live in australia where things are still private not like everywhere else that u have to be in the spotlight,thank god for that
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by nelson3082000 on Nov 23rd, 2004, 12:20pm
and yes hes definately a victim
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by Wicked_Witch on Aug 17th, 2005, 5:40pm
He's guilty as sin ;)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by thebeast on Sep 7th, 2005, 9:16pm
well i think things were blown out of porportion. He probably didnt do anything like what was first stated. You can blame him and the parents of all these kids together. This isnt something that has just happened recently, Hell charges were dropped years ago and the parents still let their kids go over there. And he still invited them over also. So parents are kinda stupid and so is he.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by Wicked_Witch on Sep 8th, 2005, 1:24am
I still think he has some psychological problems.I know he's guilty but I dont want to blame him for everything. The people around him are partly at fault too.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by somebody on Dec 23rd, 2005, 7:09pm
Michael Jackson looks/acts strange but in my opinion, that does not automatically make him a pedophile. If you know about his childhood, it was very traumatic and messed him up in the head as an adult.   But is he a pedophile? I don't know.

I'm not sure who to believe but at this moment, there is no evidence strong enough to convict him.  I believe there may be a chance he did abuse those kids but who really knows except for the people who were there.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by kim on Jan 10th, 2006, 9:05am
he is both the victime and the victimizer.

The way i see it he has some mental problems that he needs to deal with. But that doesnt mean that he has the right to harm anyone.

THe court aquited him an say that he is innocent.  ::)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by wildheart41004 on Jan 10th, 2006, 6:48pm

on 01/10/06 at 09:05:22, kim wrote:
he is both the victime and the victimizer.

The way i see it he has some mental problems that he needs to deal with. But that doesnt mean that he has the right to harm anyone.

THe court aquited him an say that he is innocent.  ::)


courts have been wrong before..but for the sake of the children I hope he is innocent
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by thebeast on Feb 4th, 2006, 12:27am
Look all famous people are strange in some way. He never had a normal childhood. He want to look like Diana Ross. Poor guy dont even have a nose anymore. Just a nub on his face is all. He needs help but I not think he rapes children. People are suing him because he got a lot of money. But then he not very smart for inviting kids over to his house. When he should know the possibility of all that happening. So in a way he deserve what he gets which is bad publicity.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson: Victimizer Or Victim?
Post by Wicked_Witch on Mar 17th, 2006, 1:47am
This one also I think should be under Current Events *New*. And the Chernobyl...and the London Tragedy and the others.....


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