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Title: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by okasantina on Aug 24th, 2004, 7:24pm Geesh!!! Where are we goin to get the money??? How can we pay them??? THings gettin worst and worst...we are dyin here.... :'( :'( :'( .... Philippines borrow money just to pay for our debt!! I hate the way our government whatever strive we do with all the selfish thing and greediness!!! >:( *** The total Philippine debt1 remains one of the biggest challenges to our development as a people. That a substantial part of this debt burden is of a private, even odious and fraudulent nature makes the yoke all the more unjust and oppressive. **** http://www.socialwatch.org/en/informesNacionales/416.html Any comment about this??? ??? ::) |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 24th, 2004, 9:47pm hmmm....thats pretty long. This issue is not new. I been hearing the Philippines debt since I was in gradeschool. I even heard before that their going to put the Philippines in bidding, and Japan are very much interested to buy the Philippines. (dunno if this is true but this has been a debate between me and friend since she's the one informed me about this issue). About trusting the government, I myself don't trust the current administration. The senate is just a big joke. Bong Revilla, Lito Lapid? Need I say more? gosh...I'm starting to have a bad day thinking all the bullshit thats happening in the PI senate. My thoughts about the Population size, regarding the government proposal in limiting the size of the family; what they have advocated so far is to propose that only 2 children will be allowed for tax deductions instead of the present 4 and that the health fees for delivery of infants beyond 2 deliveries will no longer be shouldered by government hospitals even if delivered there. Well, they have to make exemptions for 2nd deliveries involving twins, triplets, etc... ;D I'll be back for more.... |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 25th, 2004, 8:46am cuz Tina, your question is can we survive? Yes, we are surviving, you can say that we're in a deep debt or we can say the Philippines is a third world country but people here are all eating as many times as possible. I hope that government- reengineering will take place sooner or later. The government could save between P6 to P7 billion a year from the reengineering program if this procedure will be completed within the year. Early retirement program is a good strategy to lessen our government expenditure. Good thing about it is that government employees are not forced to retire early. It's an option. However, teachers are not included in the program as the bureaucracy is still hiring teachers to fill in the backlog. Re-engineering should start with agencies with obvious duplication of functions with other agencies and move on from there but it should not only be limited on abolishing certain agencies, ofcourse. It should be a wholistic approach. Lemme hear your view cuz ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by okasantina on Aug 25th, 2004, 11:31am Cuz... re-engineering with CORRUPT involve..?? how can u say that most of ppl here eat 3 times a day when they dont know where to get their food?? their water to drink or their shelter to live on?? This place called Phillipines is dyinnnnn...33 BILLION imagine that??? How can u say that if some ppl dont know the meaning of discipline? I am really worried about it.... This evening i watched news ... and it says that ... the electric power bill will gonna raise again... Shit! i was soooo surprised cuz that news was already said a month ago...and now i heard it again???? oh Jesus spare us...last week i battled w the maintenance of this townhouse...cuz my water bill goes up to 700 pesos while my neighbor beside me is only 500 pesos.... i got furiously mad tellin him ... How can this happen...cuz i am away for 10 days cuz i was in taipe, who used the water when im away?? ghost?? And beside i only do my laundry once a week... dont u see my neighbor there?? their maid do laundry for almost everyday.... imagine that??? We're only 3 here living in this house!!! then he said...better check ure meter...god sake im not here for 10 days and yet my bill is like this????? Who will not get pissed to that!??? My point is ...even if we still striving hard ..saving and not wastin... but still our debt still increase ... whats the use of re-engineering??? love u cuz :) ;D me got upset here....waiting for my next bill to come again.... huh! >:( |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Aug 25th, 2004, 11:35pm maybe we can survive and maybe not...not much to do at the moment but probably trust who's in there. Come what may, it's too stressful to think on how we can pay it, it's an impasse. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by thebeast on Aug 26th, 2004, 12:33am 33 trillion in debt wow thats a lotta cash. Thats a tuff one to get out of. I know if i was 33 trillion dollars in debt i would declare bankruptcy and start over and screw whoever I owed money to. Hell americans do it all the time. Famous ones also Wayne Newton, Burt Reynolds, Red Fox and thousands of others and so have large corporations. As far as I know they never went to jail for it, but I bet thier credit rating sucks. If people and corporations can do it y cant countries do it? well im sure PI will work its way out of it somehow, besides I dont think it ever really gets paid off. If i remember from my econmics class when a country is in debt it means its Gross National Product is low. When you bring more consumer goods in(importing) than u are sending goods out(exporting) and u keep doing it year after year soon you find yourself in debt. The United States had a trade deficit in the late 70s and early 80s. Those japanese were making all those efficient cars and america was still making the muscle cars that consumed a large amount of gasoline. The unemployment rate was high all of these things factor in to debt. Yet u still see the president and all of his fancy limos driving around. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 26th, 2004, 6:30am on 08/25/04 at 11:31:27, okasantina wrote:
Corruption will not going to be involved once the re-engineering took place. It's a good thing since bureaucratic red tape will be lessened. Simplication of systems and processes so that it can be more responsive must be the theme. The resulting savings would then be emphasized as a result of improved efficiency and productivity. Quote:
I have met many poor people and as I can see it, they still managed to eat more times three times a day. And they all have decent job as well. They may not be consider as middle class nor rich ones and lack of opportunity to enjoy or experience what other people are enjoying right now but those people are doing their best to make their lives better. Those people that don't know where or how to get their food, theres nothing to blame but themselves. Quote:
I cannot use the word dying to describe our country and I will not be pessimitic about our nation. But I have to agree, Discipline is the key together with nationalism. Sometimes I even think that Martial Law would be the best solution for all of these. Quote:
I did not say that re-engineering will solve everything but it is a good start. Discipline should start in government employees to justify their existence. Quote:
hahahaha....We all got bills to pay. We all need to be immune to the word upset... ;D I really wish that Magsaysay never met that tragedy maybe Philippines would have been a better place. I may hate the current administration (Gloria's government)but by God, I swear... I love the Philippines. God Bless the Philippines!!! |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by kianna_andrea on Aug 26th, 2004, 10:07am I'm with you on that Mymy,... we may be struggling now, but I sure still love the Phillipines. I may visit, or who nows, maybe stay a while in another country, but I can surely say to myself that I'll always come back here, no matter what happens. I know it's cliche' but as they say, "There's no place like home..." And Tina, I sympathize with you. You see, since my Mom's not around, I do the budgeting and it's really really hard. >:(Everything seems to costs too much these days. Before, say 6 months ago, with 3 thousand pesos as your grocery budget, it covers almost everything already. From toothpaste, to shampoo, conditioner, tissue paper, mouthwash, disinfectants, air freshener, laundry powder,canned goods, milk, cereals, fabric softener etc.etc. and it can lasts for a whole month already. But now, 3 thousand pesos worth of groceries can barely lasts a month! I even cut down some things that I feel are not that important anymore, like before I can still buy 2 or 3 different types of sandwhich spread, and 2 or 3 types of jams, now I just buy 1 each. I used to buy Magnolia Gold Butter, but I switched to Dairy Creme now, because it's cheaper. Sometimes when it's sunny, I prefer not to use fabric softener anymore, I only use it on rainy days to keep clothes smelling nice. But there are some grocery items that you just can't compromise just because other brands are cheaper. Say Colgate toothpaste, you can try buying cheaper substitutes but when you're used to using it for years, it's just not the same. It's like, you never feel clean enough after brushing using a different brand. Hotdogs too,.... Purefoods Tender Juicy Hotdogs if I may say, I think is the best hotdog ever. (maybe just here in p.i. I dunno with some countries.) but it's the best tasting hotdog for me so to speak, but the thing is it's like what, from 130/per kilo to 165 already. I tried Swift Hotdogs for it's way way cheaper, it's like just 110/kilo but guess what happened? My brothers did not like them. They didn't even touch it! And honestly, I don't either, so it just goes to waste. So I returned buying Purefoods again.... Ooppps,,.... sorry, I know I'm way out of the topic, but you see, my point is that, I think the Philippines is really really into deep trouble already. Everyone seems to be affected by this crisis. Rich or poor. You can see it on t.v., people complaining, and complaining and complaining.... bills, bills, bills,...telephone, water, cable, I even dread getting electric bills anymore.....I even instructed my brothers not to use ac that much but sometimes, it can get really really hot you have no choice but to use it. Gasoline keeps on costing too much, sometimes, you just want to take the bus or the jeepney already. >:( Mymy, the re-engineering thing sounds good to me. I just wonder if it'll ever be implemented. As you've told me, it should've been implemented years before. Can it be that GMA's paying her debts from the previous election that's why we're in such a crisis now? I heard that she even used the Philhealth's budget for her campaign. And what about those t.v. ads? Is it true? |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 27th, 2004, 3:23am on 08/26/04 at 10:07:38, kianna_andrea wrote:
lol...you made me laughed in this hotdog brand stuff. Your adverstising the Purefood hotdog, Kianna. ;D Quote:
One of the reasons why I hate the current administration was the event happened not long time ago. I may not be infavor of the war happening in IRAQ but Gloria Arroyo put the Philippines into big embarrasment. who would honor our treaties and trade agreements now that everybody knows what we don't have what it takes to honor our own word? If Gloria haven't sent the Philippine troops there in the first place she could have averted this international embarassment! Philippines lost its CREDIBILITY. And by this, investors are now having doubts whether to invest here or not. PUTONG INAMOY na Bansot na yan!!! |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by killerabbit on Aug 27th, 2004, 8:09am Corruption comes from Temptation.Temptation comes from weak regulations.Then again their are some people out there who are just plain mean! ;DShuddup wabbit ::) |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Aug 27th, 2004, 10:48pm Quote:
hmm..i guess i still prefer Gloria over Fernando Poe. But then Philippines is far from being cured, if its cancer ..we're at stage 3 or almost 4. Anyhow, my point is, we usually have to fall in order to learn. In the case of Gloria as President, she should be a risk taker, and that's what happens. With the large numbers of corrupt officials am not sure Philippines can stand of its own, or definitely we can but i can't imagine how Philippines look like. To become an ally with the U.S. is not really that bad, but then it has its own consequences too. So, I'm still with Gloria. About that Int'l embarassment...i really will not call it that way.....Gloria did her best already and she knows she'll be rediculed to some pertaining to that decision. I admired her on that. She's still human after all. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 27th, 2004, 11:10pm on 08/27/04 at 22:48:06, gracia wrote:
Gracia, I respect your decision backing up with Gloria but I got my points and reasons why I don't trust or believe every decision she made or will make in the future. And if it is not international embarassment, how do you call it then? A lot of Filipino in America feel very small it's embarassing what she did! I would like to clear that I believe with all my heart that Filipinos are not cowards, yes. I am disappointed in the recent actions taken by the government, but I know from history and the Filipinos that I have met, that Filipinos collectively are not cowards. About what you said in her decision being right in pulling out the Philippine Military in IRAQ was not really justified and proper. GMA did not order the pull out to save Angelo, she did it to save herself. So, why Gloria did wat she did. Simple and very clear, she wanted to start her 6 yr presidency by gaining the confidence and sympathy of the MASSES. Take note that the battle for presidency has not been won yet and still and on going process since the other side are still filling complaints to Supreme Court. GMA did it because she was afraid of a COUP that would overthrow her. But what she did not think are the ramifications of her decision. Now, Philippines is seen as weak because the leader of the country showed weakness by bowing down to terrorists. Looking at the bigger picture, our country lost big time. I really don't feel that a hero's welcome is appropriate for Angelo. I don't hate him....but he is not a hero. What is right in her decision? |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Aug 28th, 2004, 1:24am Quote:
I will just call it a difficult decision needed in a difficult situation. Perhaps i could say i have no pride at all in this scenario, but then why worry about what filipino people in the u.s. has to say, if that happen to any of them am sure they'll be given same protection as was given to Angelo. Every human being is always worth saving. What about if the outcome of sending troops to Iraq came out as an advantage to our economy? Am sure we're going to compliment Gloria for that. It just so happens that it didnt turn out right. Quote:
Nope, definitely we aren't cowards but we are human after all. Would you prefer Mhy that Angelo will be beheaded there in order to prove that we aren't cowards and in order not to put to what u called "int'l embarrassment? hehehe...i love you Mhy :) Personally, i prefer to swallow all my pride for the good of one ....but we all are different i know. Quote:
but it was a sensible decision ...to save Angelo's life. Quote:
[b]i don't want to judge Gloria for that, whatever her reasons behind..it doesn't matter to me, as long as for me, as i have said was a sensible decision. Quote:
Investors still coming in to our country despite of that, but am sure investors will run away if FPJ sits there as president. Quote:
same here, I'm not favor of that grand welcome they gave to Angelo, but it's there already. Well, that what pinoys are. There are certain traits that i'm not really proud of being a pinoy but we came out as a whole package so i'm willing to give my respect for them or for myself for that regard. Quote:
Gathered from my simple brain and probably not that effective one...it was right for me. :d |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 28th, 2004, 7:57am Quote:
If ever Angelo be beheaded then blame the terrorist not the goverment. The government should stand its grounds against terrorist. Here's the reality! The terrorist dictated the Phillipine government and our damn government complied. Quote:
Sensible decision? What decision?To send troops or pull out the troops? Because you can't say one is right while the other is wrong. If one is right then both are right.. If one is wrong then both are wrong....Think about it. One decision is the result of the other decision. Quote:
hahahha...I love you too, Gracia. We're attacking the topic not the person ofcouse. But like you said we are all different. There are people who value honor more than life itself. Quote:
I failed to see that sensible decision then. Don't get me wrong saving someone's life is not wrong but saving a life is stupid if it means putting more lives in danger. What's your assurance that the terrorists will not abduct other nationalities to persuade their governments to pull out also? Filipina maids are being raped in Kuwait by their bosses and even in the Kuwait jails by the police and GMA doesn't do anyting! Filipinos are being killed in Saudi Arabia by terrorists, so pull out all OFWs from Saudi! If GMA doesn't do that, then she's a hypocrite. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 28th, 2004, 8:04am on 08/28/04 at 01:24:56, gracia wrote:
By this, OFWs can now accept the most dangerous and the riskiest jobs in the region knowing that if taken hostage, the following will happen: a. Get ransomed by our government ;D b. A free trip for their family members to the scene of the crime accompanied by a cabinet secretary. ;D c. A free house and lot on their return to Philippines. (not mention the grand welcome) ;) |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by okasantina on Aug 28th, 2004, 10:09pm I watched tv last night this "Imbestigador" and found out how poor poeple striving hard and in need of food just to survive...It's distressing to know that there are ppl who offer for a price :'( even parts of their body just to have money...geesh! trading their eye, kidneys... imagine that? I also saw ppl eating farm rats and worms!! :o ... is there anything we can do about it?? Gloria made a program for poor people...but y is this happening... I for myself lost my strength dunno whose to blame...Im mad cuz this indigent ppl happens to have 5 to 8 kids per family!!! :o :-/ wow!....lack of information and awareness ... this is very disturbing :( |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 28th, 2004, 11:00pm on 08/28/04 at 22:09:02, okasantina wrote:
The two-child policy is a fresh approach to an age-old problem of population explosion but it will not work if the government does not have the will to back it up. Church are castigating it as another way to promote abortion, pills, etc. And, being a predominantly Christian country, goes against the proverb, "Be fruitful and multiply." But ofcourse, Gloria will never ever dare go against the will of the Catholic Church. This policy goes against Catholic teachings and will never be implented to any real degree. ;D So in conclusion: This policy is useless and is only for show. ;D Recommendation: Blame the church, hang the cardinal, damn catholics...opppsss I forgot I'm a catholic... ;D (kidding) ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Aug 28th, 2004, 11:53pm Quote:
[b]That was called blackmail Mhy in the case of Gloria. How can she sleeps at night thinking that a human being was beheaded becoz of her wrong decision not to give in. As i have said, human life is worth saving. That was tough decision, lots of critics will redicule her and lots will compliment her too. I'm on the latter. Quote:
Both are right sensible decision for me. I'm going to support Gloria in all the things she does. She has reasons why she send troops to Iraq, we all dreaming to end those terrorists to avoid further casualties in the future. If joining hands with other countries is an option...then why not? Just be ready for the consequences. What happen to Angelo is part of the consequences of her actions...and she dealt it sensibly. As i have said, i want a president who's tough but human still. Letting Angelo die and blame the terrorist??? I doubt that Mhy, the public knows that it's still possible to save Angelo, and saving it is what she had to do. Quote:
I'll stand to my principle...saving life is never stupid. The terrorist can abduct as many as they like, but am sure if one is careful enough after what happen to Angelo, then that abduction can always be avoided. I hope Angelo was the first and last to be abducted. Quote:
GMA wasnt blackmailed by their bosses Mhy, so the situation is entirely different. They went to jail for some reasons, some were true and some were not and we sure have government agency there to listen to their needs. There is court that will solve their cases, the case of Angelo, only GMA's decision can save him. Quote:
Mhy, you know very well that Filipino's are very stubborn in nature...they prefer to die there working rather than die here in hunger. You know the situation of our economy, the government can't feed them all, and besides they want a lil luxury for their families too. With all the corrupt officials we have, feeding our brethren is quite impossible to meet. And you can't expect Gloria to solve that at once..she's not a robot, and she's sorrounded with sharks too. Give her a lil consideration. Quote:
No one wants to venture that kind of risk Mhy, but for the sake of their families..they will have to go and work. They'll be careful too i'm sure, what if the terrorist won't blackmail GMA anymore? We aren't that damn too Mhy to aspire to be abducted in order to get those benefits. They knew not all the times it will come out that way. Our brethren there am sure take multiple precautions so to avoid terrorist encounter. Quote:
i will never question the attention given to them Mhy, the ransom and those free trips...the trauma is so tremendous to bear. I prefer to be struggling than be in that situation. Quote:
Don't forget Mhy that one of our not so good traits is that, we usually give donations when it is known by the public, popularity is what we aspire for. GMA's out of that already. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Aug 29th, 2004, 12:06am Quote:
Let's blame our fellow citizen, we are so selfish enough to just give in to our urges without even thinking the consequences of our actions. We will all be fine if we are responsible, mature, considerate, selfless. The two child policy is not a good idea too...lots of our couples too can't feed more than a dozen kids and send them to school without any hardship at all. Let's discipline ourselves..especially men that in times they'll get drunk...they wont take no for an answer....God give us the mind so we can think and decide. Then lets think wisely.lol |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 29th, 2004, 2:19am Quote:
First, Gloria is not a tough president. Note the psychotic pattern of decision making Gloria Arroyo has. Gloria is a type of leader that lives only for the moment, nevermind what was said and done yesterday, and tomorrow is just another day. So what's wrong with that? To begin with, how can you put your trust on someone like her? It will be virtually impossible to make plans for economic recovery, or forecasting growth, or making good government investments, because its impossible for her to adhere to any agreed form of planning. Let see the real big picture here. The real question is How can she piss knowing that more lives is in danger by her decision? Terrorist or Angelo (whatever) was able to force GMA to pull-out the RP troops not because she wanted to save Angelo, but to save herself. If there were no RP troops in Iraq, Dela Cruz would still have been captured because there thousands of Filipino's working in Iraq. And then the excuse is about humanitarian/aid workers that should be pulled out. Quote:
If Angelo were threaten to be beheaded a year from now...do you think that she will order the pull-out? I doubt ;D Gloria did not even thought it thoroughly when she first sent the RP troops in Iraq just to kiss the ASS of the US. Gloria just wanted international recognition during that time. They said that RP troops went to Iraq for humanitarian reason? But we all know that's not true. Again, its all about kissing US ass. We could have shown our support in the fight against terrorism by working on our local terrorist problem first. The Philippines itself will be the target of terrorists following the deployment of our troops. Still Gloria sent them! So? who's to blame? Gloria and her adviser! PS. Angelo De la cruz Movie coming soon...lol ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 29th, 2004, 2:50am Quote:
Saving a life is stupid if it means putting more lives in danger. Gloria MUST remember that she is not the President of Angelo nor his family alone. She is not the President alone of those who voted for her either. She is the President of 82 million Filipinos and that might not even count those who reside outside the Philippines. A responsibility she willingly and merrily accepted. ;D Quote:
then revamp all the officials, specially those who got their position because they help her to gained the presidency during EDSA2. And we might had the chance to bring some system back. Quote:
OFW sends 8 billion dollars a year, practically everything in the government' coffer. The only thing that's keeping the country right now are the remittances that OFW sends back home. You take them away.... then you don't even have a country. Quote:
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by teagirl on Aug 29th, 2004, 2:51am MyGirl, you and my aunt have the same opinion about Gloria. She thinks Gloria is wishy washy too. I, on the other hand, have no political opinions except this: Who do we have as someone who can lead this poor country of ours? FPJ? Gloria is the lesser of two evils. Rocco would have been a good candidate but his health betrayed him. However, it is my contention that even if we put Jesus Christ in Malacanang to be our president, if we Filipinos will not change our ways, we will be forever doomed to this kind of fate. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 29th, 2004, 3:12am on 08/29/04 at 02:51:58, teagirl wrote:
When the occasion demanded her to stand fast, she blinked. She must be careful the next time she does. When a person is right they are right when they are wrong they are wrong. One must have the wisdom to know the difference. You do not negotiate with Terrorists. I'll quote the other later....I need to recharge..lol ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by thebeast on Aug 29th, 2004, 3:25am By reading what everyone is saying here, it seems to me PI should probably stay out of international problems until things are in more in balanced in PI. Sending troops to Iraq for humanitarian or even kissing ass reasons is not a good idea when Osama Been Hiding followers and freedom haters are in your own back yard. Mylene is right about maybe even causing more problems by sending troops to Iraq. All a terrorist needs is a reason to start killing innocent people. PI should focus on PI at this point in time. Focus on international issues that would improve the economy and healthcare or whatever else. I dont know. Politics is so shady. You cant really trust anyone. About this only 2 children rule. I wonder how the catholic church is about that? Maybe the pope needs to take a little trip to PI and remind the government that catholics like large familys and birth control is not an option. lol |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 29th, 2004, 9:09am on 08/29/04 at 02:51:58, teagirl wrote:
I'm always blunt about liking LACSON. I voted for him. Lacson was never in favor in sending RP troops in IRAQ in view of the many deficiencies of our military, and the fact that it would be somewhat ridiculous when the AFP can barely contain the country's own insurgency problems with the NPA and Muslim. Well, He does not come off as someone who is likeable because of being able to avoid doing the dirty jobs, or being assigned to sterile environment. He is the man who has been at the forefront, mudded his shoes, but got the job done. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 29th, 2004, 9:20am on 08/29/04 at 03:25:47, thebeast wrote:
We should have separation of Church and State, unless we are back again in Spaniard's time , where the Friars reign supreme. Laziness to comply and lack of discipline adds up to the growing population of the people. Besides being submissive to the Church, Filipinos' culture of being "conservative" significantly influences the public's aversion of the policy. Make it compulsory, expect revolt. ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Aug 29th, 2004, 9:31am Quote:
I agree with you My..but am sure u know that Lacso is not on the winning race. So i didnt waste my vote on him but use it for Gloria instead. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by lyssa on Aug 29th, 2004, 11:09am Gloria ... already annonced a martial law(mild) during the time she was declared the "new president of the Republic of the Philippines", you have no right to voice out your own opion, she has already started it by not allowing any protest rallies of the millitant groups if the ppl questioned and protested against her, giving money to the media ppl to be silent about the truth that she cheated last may election and aslo gave some money to some church Leaders including some Christian pastors, leaders and bishops before just to support her in her campaign, after and untill now she contineous to bribe anyone who she can just to support her and to keep quiet. Very very soon she will fully declare Martial Law because of our financial situation, but you cant force the filipino ppl to pay these trillions of dollars of debts,by price hikes, taxes and more taxes to charge us just pay the governemt these amount of money, because the Poor filipino ppl do not have that amount of money she demands us to pay, what will happend to Juan Dela Cruz ... ?? he cant voice out his hunger ..he will go balistic and he will rebel against the government, instead. the only way we can survive this situation is that GMA must step down from malacanang and stop placing this nation into the most downed situation and let the real winner of last may 10, 2004 election be the one who will lead us to prosperity. question .....why and how will the government easily ran out of money ? hey dont blame the rich businessmen who didnt pay their taxes but thats already an old issue, where are the money she borrowed from US Government? how much money did she widrawn from the funds of some Gov. Agencies before the election and also before the last holy week in GSIS? about Php49billion has been widrawn all documented, ofcourse all she will answer to you are lies. to pay these debts in this nation, we really need a divine miracle from the one who is the author and finisher of our faith, because there is nothing impossible w/ the Lord, if He has healed the sick, He can also heal the nations who are also in the situation we are in, right now. We need God's Healing in this nation, if the philippines is in crisis .. so does the filipinp ppl are suffering in poverty. no 1 can survive a debt as big as ours, you will have to pay it w/ our own land ...US Bases or become a slave to these 1st world countries ect.. ect.. if we love this nation, pray for it and let God judge the wicked so that He can set us free, If youre a catholic, muslim,christians... we have diff. faith but in our hearts we know there is Someone who we can call upon and do something to all of us. all i can say ... the Philippines is a blessed country full of beauty and riches that any other countries dont have, we have natural resources that can provide us finances to pay our nation's debts, but these hidden natural wealth and riches are hidden away from us because we neglected the Lord to give us the righteouss leader to lead us in prosperity and to become a blessed nation, the Philippines has a destiny same goes to us filipinos ppl but we just allow our own foolishness to take us into deep deep trouble and do not look upon God. DONT LOOK AT THESE DEBTS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ... BUT LOOK AT WHAT GOD CAN DO FOR US AND TO OUR BELOVED NATION. Who ever the real Winner is in this Past May 10 2004 Election ,either if its FPJ, Rocco,Bro Eddie or Lacson, he should be the 1 who is our president now, but surely it is not GMA who won,but she usedour own money and it is being used to fund her candidacy and we are now the one who are suffering right now, while she and her cabinets, paid church leaders are enjoying the Goods of being wealthy while we are being over charged by GMA that amount of money from her bogus victory. BTW...Im a proud member of Bangon Pilippinas Party, my category there is "Bangon Mga Pilay"LOL, atleast we have a desire to prosper any ways ;D. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 29th, 2004, 11:31am on 08/29/04 at 03:25:47, thebeast wrote:
Osama sends his regards and says "Thanks be to Allah, and Thanks be to the weak Philippines, for the encouragement my followers needed" ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by Hernando on Aug 29th, 2004, 1:55pm very interesting thread. ;) I'm not a from the Philippines and not a Filipino as well. IMHO, Marcos's greed contributed hugely to the sad state of the Philippine government. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Aug 29th, 2004, 10:59pm Now back to 33 Trillion debt....My don't put all the blame to Gloria..am gonna spank ur butt [smiley=spank.gif] joking.... ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 29th, 2004, 11:27pm on 08/29/04 at 11:09:38, lyssa wrote:
Because of Fidel Ramos advised, I bet. ;) Quote:
All the official, specially those who gained their position by helping Gloria during EDSA2, better ask them where's the money. I know from the fact, GSIS could not afford the pension of those retiring government employees thats why they can't retire because GSIS has no money to pay them. Quote:
We need God, I agree but we don't need Cardinal Sin... he already retired or wat? Quote:
very nice word. We need discipline together with nationalism. Quote:
I don't know what happened to our country anymore.... somewhere along the way, we didn't fight for what is right. We had the chance to bring some system back, but filipinos tend to vote for those people who can dance and sing better than the other candidate. We missed our chance with LACSON. :'( |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Aug 29th, 2004, 11:33pm on 08/29/04 at 22:59:14, gracia wrote:
hahahahha....After all that has happened in our country, Everyone is still pretending that the Philippines has a normal and functioning president. Nothing, as in NOTHING will ever be satisfactorily achieved while the name of that president remains Macapagal-Arroyo okie gracia, I will go back to the topic later. I'm not good in financial matters...i'll do my research ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by okasantina on Aug 30th, 2004, 4:59am on 08/29/04 at 13:55:49, Hernando wrote:
Thanks Fernan ;D and i agree to that..cuz maybe if not for Marcos who handle us for almost 20 Years ..PI would not be a hell like this...(ironically speaking) The cronies that Marcos regime had b4 did the worst of it...well i am sayin this not becuse im mad to him actually my mom is a Marcos loyalist lol! but we always battle and debate regarding that thang. Pi maybe 10 or 20 years gap from other countries...can we skip? nahh we cant...Joel is right there too...Gloria shouldnt put some troops there in Iraq why??? cuz of pride! yes pride! by sending troops, other might think PI can be on our own way i mean...To tell and shout to the whole world that PI can defend its own ppl too...Im quite anxious and its annoying why Gloria send troops to Iraq...what is her purpose?? There are many problems that she should think first...one is the facilities of our army ..how can she defend the PI ppl if our arms and airplanes are only tora tora's and machine guns?? lol! geesh ... its a fact that PI cant defend us..we have no arms ...so what is Gloria tryin to prove is that PI can?! and can also manage and fight the terrorists....but geesh not to send our troops what for?? whats the reason?? See what happen when the Iraqi kidnapped this Dela Cruz...she cant do anything but to pull out the troops! :-/ Gloria should concentrate and wash and remove the dirt of her own backyard first b4 she can clean other neighbor's yard! The pride was eaten ... i guess she should fart and barp for what she did...what a shameful world ::) :-/ |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by lyssa on Aug 30th, 2004, 5:51am Mhy Mhy ... dearest ..lol cardinal sin ..... is some where out there , not playing god , thank Goodness .. at long last .. you know that Ramos is a C.I.A agent hired by the USA gov.? 2 yrs ago ,before he handed over the presidencial seat to Erap , Agent Ramos and Gloria already had a plan to dethrone Erap and the result is ... EDSA 2.. >:( Because they Know that JDV will not win as a president at that time... :o :o well i missed all the Erap Jokes im happy recieving those jokes.. lol ;D :-[ well if you like to know More about the hidden wealth of the Phils. contact me .... we can give you free seminar of "the Birthing Of Lupang Hirang" Bangon Pilipinas Party conducted seminars Like this all over the Philippines During Bro.Eddie's campaign started Dec 03-May7'04 , this lecture will make you Love The Philippines more and make you a proud Filipino and we do have a future... free of charge .... no love gifts too ... ;) just the snacks !! ;D and no taxes pls >:(.... ;D ;D |
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Title: [smileyRe: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by lyssa on Aug 30th, 2004, 5:56am Hey !! i didnt Vote to Gloria .... punish me if you have too ..lol [smiley=whip.gif] [smiley=whip.gif] J/K ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Sep 15th, 2004, 9:19am Arroyo admitted that PI is in Fiscal Crisis stage so we must tighten our "belts" for betterment. Is this real or just another trick so that New Proposed Taxes will be approved by the senate and even us filipinos. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Sep 20th, 2004, 3:26am Honestly, i dont like the begging thing idea or the imposition of new taxes....and i like joker arroyo telling gloria to clean her sorroundings before imposing new taxes. I don't know what's Gloria's agenda here...but i'll give her the benefit of the doubt..and see what happens...........for the meantime don't curse me yet for voting her |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Sep 20th, 2004, 3:44am on 09/20/04 at 03:26:43, gracia wrote:
I will never ever curse you Gracia, I have high respect on you.... ;) ;D Going back to the topic. I also agree with Joker Arrayo, revamp all the officials. Improved tax collection and tax administration should be the government priority before they try to impose new taxes. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Sep 20th, 2004, 4:12am Quote:
i know u won't My.............thank you..i feel like an ancient woman now. back to topic......but will you agree imposing taxes to churches? since all of us employees, employers are subject to tax...may as well the churches too....i've heard Cardinal sin has a resounding 6 million somewhere. |
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Title: >:(Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by lyssa on Sep 21st, 2004, 6:30am The ambassador to the US already warned Gloria that she can no longer make it as the true president of the the PI. ;D ;D Sen.Joker Arroyo warned him that her incompitence w/ urge the ppl in to another.. Kuh ;) Every week , 22 baggages full of US dollar$ are being flew to hong kong and being deposited in a bank because Gloria and the 1st gentleman knows she cant complete her terms from 2004-2010. and anytime she can be kicked out from her seat. :o :o her secret adviser .... Fidel V. Ramos is secretly pissed at Gloria because she told Miriam Deffensor Santiago to bring back the Peya/Amari<==(correct this spelling pls LOL)scandal. from being greedy... you will become more greedy cuz you tasted power in the gov. and luxury , you will lend other country some money and when its about the time to pay the depts ... where on earth shall Gloria get the money to pay the debts?? .. she wont pay any single centavo to it, becaue the money she borrowed is now in her pocket, she will force the ppl to pay it ... and take note .. these ppl are not just ordinary ppl but poor, she is saving her own skin so that she will not be answerable to anything she did but only the poor filipino People who are living in poverty and w/o nothing .. is that the way economists really are .. thats the way GMA claimed that she is an economists really are ?? >:( >:( :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Sep 21st, 2004, 10:38am on 09/20/04 at 04:12:27, gracia wrote:
yes I totally agree in imposing taxes to churches BUT not in the catholic church. They should imposed it to the IGLESYA NI CRISTO (no offense to the INC here). Since INC are the one who supported Arroyo and can you imagine how much money those politicians paid just to get the FULL support of all the members of INC religion? |
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Title: Re: >:(33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive Post by mylane on Sep 21st, 2004, 10:58am on 09/21/04 at 06:30:55, lyssa wrote:
Fiscal Crisis, applicable to Common People like us but not for Lucio Tan, the Zobels, the Ayalas, the Aranetas or even to sharon cuneta...lol. ;D I read an article that techically speaking Philippines are still not in Fiscal crisis but we're headed to it. Here's the link: http://www.econ.upd.edu.ph/respub/dp/displ...play.php?id=582 To summarized the article: 1. The increase in public debt is mostly caused by the government's budget deficit 2. A good portion of the deficit is caused by FALLING tax revenue due to tax evasion and corruption 3. Government spending is actually at it's lowest in a decade, which is 19 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) 4. Both the executive branch and the judiciary share equal blame and contribute to a culture of tax avoidance and tax evasion 5. The government steps in and assumes the debt of government corporations like NAPOCOR that also increases the budget deficit. Going back to lyssa's comment....you're trying to say that the real crisis is Gloria Arroyo. You take her out, and you'd be on your way to recovery. ;D Is that so lyssa? |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Sep 21st, 2004, 10:07pm i think it's still too premature to judge that Gloria borrowed money for her personal keepings. In my point of view...this fiscal crisis she'd declared is probably just a wake up call for everyone, although too bad the ones in poverty will be affected most. I totally agreed about the life style check to all government employees, and i hope whoever is in charge on the checking will not be influence by any of those corrupt officials. Or am i hoping the impossible??? |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by tarantada on Sep 22nd, 2004, 12:03pm I'm not really into politics but i have a question. When the philippines plays host to heads of state and visiting dignitaries come and stay, does the philippine government foot the bill? Speaking about the Philippines economy what happened to what PGMA is saying during her campaign that the economy is stable? |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by lyssa on Sep 23rd, 2004, 2:26am This Crisis that Gloria get us into isnt our fault why make us suffer? She is saving her own Ass so that she wont be blamed, VP. Noli "Kabayad" De Castro is a Lopez fella so we cant also trust him if he will come out to replace Gloria if the Kuh will show up soon. >:( >:( IF SHE WILL BE FORCED TO STEPPED DOWN BY THE POOR PPL COZ THATS WHAT THEY WANT , WHY NOT ? I believe that this is not a Crisis , but a Conspiracy between Ramos, Marcoses and Gloria and the transaction between the Military Bases here in PI as the payment of 33trillion peso debts and the poor victims martial are the poor ppl in this country... >:( >:( If its God's will that she must stepped down , why not ? its hypocracy not to admit that you cant pay the dept and youre making a fool out of the filipino ppl . if she wont stepped down ....might as well take the Philippines to the animal slaughter house and chop it up and sell it to the americans , europeans and chinese per kilo coz no one will bennifit from our nation's natural wealth . according to a UP proffesor , the Philippine deep is the deepest ocean trench in the whole world , Mariana's Trench is only the 2nd to our own, in this deep ... we have the fuel of the Future this is what they call "Heavy Water " or Deuterium , pollution free and safe and we also have a vast deposit of Uranium.... you cant split uranium's atom w/ o being stable it can only be split in a dense liquid called heavy water and deuterium, if our president only knows how to run this nation not by her own capability and interst .. we can pay our debts using our nations natural resorces but she cant us it ... it will just make her really greedy more and more .... ;D these mineral deposits can make us really rich you know ..but on no GMAs term . we need a righteous leader , truly righteousness exalts a nation . a true Leader will lead you out of the wilderness to the land of Promise , she/he will not compromise her reputation and even what little your ppl has and he/she will not even get what the poor has and feed it to her own dogs even you hear them asking for some increase, but he / she will help you use of what this nation has and will not even say that we are in a fiscal crisis and borrows and leads to other countries $$$ and make you pay it . when you voted to a president you have chosen some1 who will make you prosper and unite the church and government agree upon their indefferences and help the ppl go hand in hand along w/ the leader and will not abuse the power she has. i did not cast my vote to someone who i will donate my money but gets more from my min. salary of p250 a day .. i want a leader who will not save her own skin from the taxes she impliments and forcing me to pay it, but i am for a president who is not independent from his own wants and undersrtanding coz he knows he is a limited man in the eyes of God. i want a president who can help me improve my way of living not me helping her improve her way of living. this corruption in our government is already here ever since the spaniards came to PI . i have said this phrases cos this is what i see in our situation and its getting worste and worste everyday. somehow i know God Listens to the cries of the ppl who are hoping for a new horrizon , i just look up and hope for more of what God can do for me . GMAs political ambition kills many poor PPL , i saw it last May how much money she withdraws in the Bank and having conivances w/ some sec. of each gov. dept sectors . Cardinal Sin cant have any comment on this coz he is at his old age , the Iglecia Ni Cristo cant be touched coz they have supported GMA last May , if you remember Bro. Ellie Soriano's show , I.N.C. gave his church a law case to be closed in cable TV ...because they have GMA .. :o >:( :o they are so untouchable .. lol |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Sep 23rd, 2004, 10:51am on 09/22/04 at 12:03:34, tarantada wrote:
The government released their protocol for expenditures when the President goes visiting elsewhere. As I remember one category is totally shouldered by the host government, while the other is half shouldered and half paid. I guess the same applies when other state heads visit us. There was an official gathering of heads when Fidel Ramos was still President it was called APEC. I think I was in HS by time. I just remember that Pres. Clinton came and stayed like all the leaders in a villa in SUBIC. All those villas were paid by us. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Sep 28th, 2004, 1:30am that APEC meeting am not sure if we gain lots of investors from it, but i guess it's a good advertisement. Thought if its a way of boasting that we really can afford, than admitting we are overly poor, then i guess, our President that time was really a Filipino. He was then the epitome of a Pinoy style. But in my opinion, i guess i have accepted that event rather than declining as host and knowing the budget is still the same. AT least part of the money was shown how it was spend, rather than asking where did the money go? |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by chelle on Sep 28th, 2004, 2:35am ask no more money went in my pocket [smiley=huepfenicon111.gif] |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by Analyn on Sep 30th, 2004, 5:38am I can survive...I don't know if you can...hehehe but they say you can't put a man in prison with unpaid debts... let them sue...and see them in court GMA ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by okasantina on Sep 30th, 2004, 10:45am I think ::) GMA spent too much on the last election made ppl suffer now ...GMA wonders how and where to get the money thats why her intention is to add more taxes and invent what kind of tax to impose.. >:( poor us! :-* :-/ |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mymy on Sep 30th, 2004, 11:12am on 09/28/04 at 01:30:22, gracia wrote:
yeah after the said conference, lots of garment factories were closed and lots of people lost their jobs including my mother. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by okasantina on Oct 11th, 2004, 6:07am What is this ive heard that its not 3.3 Trillion but its 5.3 Trillion!!! [smiley=omfg.gif] [smiley=omfg.gif] [smiley=omfg.gif] Imagine that!!! Im dead!!! [smiley=wall.gif] |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Oct 12th, 2004, 2:36am Of course we can survice and i guess it would be best not to think too much about it. It can cause stress and stress leads to wrinkles...ladies...beauty products are very expensive...stay calm and stress free and stay beautiful...life is beautiful still. ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Oct 13th, 2004, 11:08am damn...i clicked submit and it sez page cannot be displayed...lol i got to retyped these all again I think the our government should do the following: Limitation of foreign travels Limitation of paid media advertisements Limitation of the conduct of celebrations, cultural and sports activities, and etc etc which are not related to the functions of the agencies Limitation of the grant of new/additional benefits to officials and employees Limitation of donations, contributions, grants and gifts which are not related to the function of the agencies Adoption of a scheme that will allow employees rendering overtime to be compensated through time/days off work in lieu of overtime pay Mandatory use of Government Electronic Procurement system in the procurement of goods and services Strict prioritization of capital expenditures |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by okasantina on Oct 14th, 2004, 11:24am The Philippines! 10 years from now...oh my god ... i think i can never open my eyes to what will gonna happen for sure the problems will be insurmountable :-/ why???? Filipinos known far wide as being unsinkable,,, :( First, Over population its like no matter how high our growth rate will be...there will be more mouths to feed, shelter, clothing and send to school. You cannot slice the pie forever right? :-X Secondly, we are polluting and destroyin our rivers and lakes and forests and even our farms...its is not strained to imagine that we will be the beggars of Asia :o But on the lighter side Filipinos can strive in its own, not just by depending on our government and blaming it on the shortcomings instead of fighting for the rights we think are unjust. Contributing peace instead of calling the president or a politician to step down from their position....Support instead..we get nothing from fights, selfish plans and greed of power and authority. Amen ;D |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by kim on Nov 19th, 2004, 10:27am Lets not all be too pesimistic about this. Yes its true that the government cannot pay our foreign debts at the rate of our economy. And yes it is also true at our debdts increase every year that passes by. But instead of crying about something thats already there, We should.... more specificaly.. teh government should think of a more efficient way to use and spend our money... When we borrow money fromthe US the interest that we have to pay is only 3%. Thats like giving away the money. THere is nothing wrong about borrowing money because we all do that in one way or another but we should use the money that we borrowed to generate money that is bigger than what we bprrowed so that we can pay off out debts and ear at the same time... Proper management of the money that we borrow will be a good help. Instead of raising taxes why not make the tax collection more efficient? Instead of wasting money on giving food and houses to the homeless why not spend more on programs that will teach the homeless to earn their own money? Instead imprting products like rice from other countries, why not improve our rice productions so we can be self sufficient... DIdi you know that the rice growers in Malaysia and other countries that export rice to the phlipines studied at UP Los Banos??? The technology came from us!!! We were the ones who thought them but why are they the ones earning and not us? And finally, Instead of fighting and arguing and oppisng each other just for the sake of opposing why not help each other to make our country a better place to live in... Its not yet too late... we can still make or country better... We used to be better than the other Asian countries you know? |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by okasantina on Feb 13th, 2005, 5:32pm LAst week PESO struggled its initial rate higher to what we expected...how interesting and yet Congress are after for another 2% increase of Value Added Tax (VAT) imagine ... 12% on tax!!! >:( What else they can do?? to make the Filipino strive and fight for their lives to live... ::) :-/ poor Pedro! how can i eat sardines now? even sardines prices go up! uhaaaaaaaaaa :'( :'( :'( What shall i eat next? ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by kim on Feb 15th, 2005, 7:24am i know tina :-/ its like everyday that passes buy our debts increase and the prices of basic commodities go up too. I mean i love the Philippines and all its just that it makes me so damn sad to think that we are going no where with this system of ours :'( |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by mylane on Mar 6th, 2005, 8:42pm like i always said....we missed our chance with lacson.... |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by kim on Mar 14th, 2005, 8:23am whats the exact value of our debt at the moment? |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by Analyn on Mar 17th, 2005, 11:54am By Jun Ebias Bloomberg News Thursday, March 17, 2005 MANILA The Philippines will pay a record amount of interest on its debt this year, a third of its budget and the biggest component of its 2005 spending, the government said Wednesday. The country will pay 301.7 billion pesos, or $5.6 billion, to service its 3.3 trillion pesos of debt . hmmm.. i wonder where the money went... as i last checked...my wallet is empty |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Mar 23rd, 2005, 10:00am mine is empty as well.... |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by beth on Mar 23rd, 2005, 9:06pm dun worry, indonesia got bigger debt than d philliphines l guess [smiley=roll.gif][smiley=roll.gif] l dunno if am suppose to laff or sad on this ahahaha... ;D mines aint empty, partner ;D But full wiff monopoly muney ;D does that count? |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by gracia on Mar 29th, 2005, 10:50am partner........why ur country is always ahead of us [smiley=bigcry.gif].......we wanna be first [smiley=thump.gif] |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by kim on Apr 13th, 2005, 10:29am I cant see any solid solution to this problem. We have to deal with the corruption first before we can deal with this issue. Coz no matter what solution we think of for this problem, if the corrupt officials still wont stop hogging all our money then our debts will still increase. |
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Title: Re: 33 TRILLION DEBT!!! Can we survive??? Post by Wicked_Witch on Sep 9th, 2005, 6:05pm Can we survive? Of course, but its just gonna be like that....SURVIVING.... No peace of mind, can't relax. |
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