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Title: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Pres Post by teagirl on Jun 28th, 2005, 5:36pm Senator Hillary R. Clinton is tapped as the next Democratic Presidential Nominee for the 2008 US Elections. As a woman, it would be interesting to see if America will embrace the idea of a female president. But as early as now, her rumor abounds that she may have "imbibed the culture of lesbianism" when she was still an undergraduate at Wellesley. Would the hint/accusation of lesbianism really matter to American voters? What about her stand on healthcare? Her senate record? Are they important at all? Can a woman do a "man's job" at the White House? Does gender matter at this day an age? As a woman, it would be interesting to see if another woman has got a fair chance in leading one of the most powerful countries in the world. Any thoughts? Menfolks...and womenfolks? |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by wildheart41004 on Jun 28th, 2005, 8:28pm America is ready for a woman president ,just hope it wont be hillary clinton, she already had eight years running the country when every one thought bill was pres. niether of them are worth a damn in my opinion |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Jun 29th, 2005, 1:55am Hillary Clinton running for president would be a very big mistake by the democrats. I am not a prejudice person but I dont think a woman will be able to win an election for president. I think first she gonna have to be on the ticket as a vice president nomonie first. Even so...any woman on the democratic or repuplican ticket as vice president or president is very risky. Risky due to the fact they have a greater risk of losing, not to the fact that the woman running could not do the job, but simply to the fact she is a woman. It shouldnt matter but for lots of voters it does. I think Arnold Schwarzenegger has a better chance of winning than a female and he not even born in america. Of course they would have to pass into legislation that a foreign born citizen could run for president. I doubt that will happen also. But you never know. As far as homosexuality or lesbianism goes...thats an issue most candidates try to stay away from...when confronted about it they are usually neatural about it or the try to reverse the situation like Kerry tried to do in the last election when he tried himself look as for the issue but used the current vice presidents daughter as an example. That was a clever move by Kerry to get the homosexuals votes and to try to swing the conservative republican votes to his side. lol When Bush was asked about the issue he just played dumb and said I dont know if its wrong or right. lol But everyone knows his conservative ideas about family and homosexuality. The homosexual vote is only important in california really anyway. Thats where most of them live that can make a difference anyway. But most people in the states think it is wrong to be a homosexual. So I think the issue is one that will not be focussed on for either side. Its one of those dangerous political suicide issues they do not like to discuss much. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by mylane on Jun 29th, 2005, 8:27am on 06/28/05 at 17:36:30, teagirl wrote:
oh no...look at what happened to the philippines when woman is in power? Don't get me wrong but i dont like a woman as president. it wouldn't make any difference if women are in power or become leaders of their nations....It will be basicly the same. Wars would still be raging, people would be complaining about gas prices. The doctrine will not change just because a person has a vagina and not a penis. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by teagirl on Jun 30th, 2005, 3:12pm on 06/29/05 at 01:55:58, thebeast wrote:
I agree with you that its a political suicide for a candidate to let the constituents know he/she is pro-gay. By why is it that way? Is it wrong to stand by your convictions and defend it? And why do people in the States think its wrong to be homosexual? Whats wrong with being homosexual? Aren't gay folks people too? Isnt it said somewhere in your constitution or whatever doctrine it is that America is all about liberty and pursuit of happiness? So how can homosexuality be wrong if the individual is just exercising his/her right and pursuing happiness? |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by teagirl on Jun 30th, 2005, 3:22pm on 06/29/05 at 08:27:27, mylane wrote:
So, in essence, for you, a woman is a poor choice as a presidential candidate. I can live with that. No arguments here... Quote:
So why are you against a female president if everything is status quo? What is wrong with a president who has a vagina? Any reasons? |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by mylane on Jun 30th, 2005, 3:52pm on 06/30/05 at 15:22:03, teagirl wrote:
There are women that have been in power that did a wonderful job, and there are women who have been in power that did a SHITTY JOB. Same for men, same for any other group. And those women that became the president of the philippines did a SHITTY JOB. Quote:
I really dont think the world would be any different, I figure it would be the same. Doctrines wouldnt change just because a person has a vagina and not a penis. ======================= The rule of the politics forum: Attack the topic and not the person. Just a reminder |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by killerabbit on Jun 30th, 2005, 8:16pm on 06/30/05 at 15:12:56, teagirl wrote:
Sure why not?We've had alcoholics,drug addicts and sexual promiscutors in office before.Why not homosexuals too?And whos to say we've havent had one already as president? Hillary Clinton is bad news.Her way would convert us into socialism.Im not ready to be a socialist society where someone tells me when its time to go to the bathroom.Hillary has been plotting this scheme of presidency since Bush first won.To insure her victory in 2008 she has to make sure that enough political mud was splashed on the Repubilicans to make thier defeat overwhelming.Then this country will be turned into the wrong direction.Then we will suffer loss of freedom.Its scary. If I was to vote for a woman to be president....It would be Condolezza Rice.Shes got a good head on her shoulder. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Jul 2nd, 2005, 8:28pm on 06/30/05 at 15:12:56, teagirl wrote:
Well if you wanna win it would not be a wise thing to do to stand up for gay rights very openly. May in politics its not about right or wrong...its about winning without pissing as many people off as possible. As far as being gay as being right or wrong...well may if you a christian woman you should know the answer to that. And I know religion and government should be kept separate. But society has to have some morals and ethics. If you throw that out the door did you ever stop to wonder what society would be like? Its already bad enough as it is. Freedom is a good thing but it shouldnt be taken advantage of just cuz you are gay. What scares me is whats next for this. Homosexuals already getting married legally in some states. Whats next? Children? Thats what scares me. Kids already got it hard enough why you gonna want to confuse them more? This is not a question of freedom anyway. Its about sexual preference. They free to do what they want already. They just want to showboat their lifestyle is all they want to do. Hey I am a heterosexual but I not go marching around being proud of it. Hell people are supposed to be heterosexuals how else you think that the human race would survive? There wouldnt be any people in the world if we were all homosexuals. Its not part of the plan of survival. I am not running for office so I can say it...Its just wrong period. If you wanna be gay be gay thats cool with me but dont be talking to me about your gay rights when homosexauls are not even normal in the first place. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by skepticzero on Jul 4th, 2005, 9:14pm on 06/30/05 at 20:16:20, killerabbit wrote:
She's very self-serving, like Bill Clinton. on 06/30/05 at 20:16:20, killerabbit wrote:
This sentiment comes from her socialized medicine scheme. I have yet to see any hard evidence that she would advocate converting the vestiges of our democracy into some sort of socialist autocracy, but ultra-right wing radio entertainers love to say that on their shows, thus keeping their followers pumped up. Still, there must be better choices than her. on 06/30/05 at 20:16:20, killerabbit wrote:
She can't beat Karl Rove, who could run a Log Cabin Republican against her and still win. But it will likely be Jeb. Condi would be a good Rove choice for taking the women's vote away from Clinton. on 06/30/05 at 20:16:20, killerabbit wrote:
We're already turned in the wrong direction--toward statism, the very antithesis of democracy. on 06/30/05 at 20:16:20, killerabbit wrote:
I don't think it could be more significant than the loss of freedom we've seen under the past two Bush Administrations. The Fourth Amendment has been subjugated to the USA Patriot Act, with the 9/11 attacks as the justification. Ultra-right-wing religious extremists, collectively known as Christian Dominionists, are making significant inroads in impacting U.S. legislation and are affecting the judiciary. The already illegal concept of free speech zones has been taken to unprecedented levels, and people deemed not to be cheering at Bush rallies have been removed by the Secret Service. So much for defending the Constitution of the United States. To make matters worse, the U.S. is adopting a distinctly statist charracter: U.S. civilian administrators introduce George W. Bush as their "Commander in Chief" at political rallies. A majority of graduating American high school students believe that the First Amendment should be curbed. This should really concern Americans who are familiar with U.S. history. on 06/30/05 at 20:16:20, killerabbit wrote:
Condi Rice concerned her office with the asinine missile defense shield and sabre-rattling at Iraq in the months prior to 9/11, much to the chagrin of both some of her own staff, who were convinced that an al Qaeda attack was imminent, and many at the CIA who were saying the same thing. She was even sent a now-famous memo from CSG Director Richard Clarke warning of an al Qaeda attack. Apparently, al Qaeda attacks were not a priority for her. I can think of few who would be less fitting for the presidency than Rice. We need leaders smarter than our enemies not a continuation of an administration so moronic that its members can be manipulated like marionettes by al Qaeda. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by killerabbit on Jul 9th, 2005, 3:07pm Hillary self serving eh?serving to whom?special interests and herself?Bill Clinton?LMAO!!! Because of Bill and his move to take us backwards instead of forward is the reason why we are in the position we are in now.Hillary has a socialist and marxist background.Period.It doesnt take an expert in politics to see that. The loss of freedom we endure today could have been avoided if not for Clinton.We are in this war not because of Bush,but because of clinton. Better Rice than some scheming money hunger family that has already been in so many scandals you need an entomologist to sort them all out. By the way...lets stay on topic.Stop dissecting everyone elses commentary and write on subject. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by skepticzero on Jul 9th, 2005, 7:02pm on 07/09/05 at 15:07:17, killerabbit wrote:
Self-serving means serving oneself. on 07/09/05 at 15:07:17, killerabbit wrote:
I'm not a Clinton fan, but what do you mean by "backwards"? Do you mean politically, socially, or economically? on 07/09/05 at 15:07:17, killerabbit wrote:
To what "position" are you referring exactly? Does it have to do with the war, economics, politics, or the social landscape? on 07/09/05 at 15:07:17, killerabbit wrote:
And the neocons guiding this administration are openy very far right of center, having openly and unapologetically advocated that the U.S. become an imperial power and abandon democratic principles that they see as a threat to the state. The best option would seem to be not to keep voting either of these two groups into power. on 07/09/05 at 15:07:17, killerabbit wrote:
More like, if not for Clinton and every U.S. administration going back decades as well as a ripe opportunity with George W. Bush a loss of freedom could have been avoided. However, George W. Bush stands apart in his view of American civil liberties and democratic principles as enemies of the state. on 07/09/05 at 15:07:17, killerabbit wrote:
Firstly, which war--the War On Terror in Afghanistan or the Iraq War? What did Clinton do specifically to cause either? on 07/09/05 at 15:07:17, killerabbit wrote:
It would probably be better to have the anti-Christ as president than someone like Rice who has already demonstrated that she was looking in entirely the wrong direction when the terrorist attacks occurred. on 07/09/05 at 15:07:17, killerabbit wrote:
Addressing comments point-by-point is a good way to stay on topic. It's more precise. People who dislike it often do so because they don't like to have to support what they've posted--especially if they're prone to generalizations. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by killerabbit on Jul 14th, 2005, 2:02am Oh I dont generalize easily.Just if its as plain as the nose on your face.Clintons have drug us down with their political upheaval of the system to the point it takes a great man like Bush to pull us back out of the mess.I dont like your comments.They are pointless.If they serve any purpose its to irritate others.I have been around long enough to know that the last time we got involved with the terrorists..it was because of weak use of power by a democratic president.History has repeated itself again.And we will all suffer greatly if Hillary is to become President.Am I wrong?No!She stands for everything I stand against.I will not go into great detail about why I feel the way I do.You may bait me all you want but as far as I am concern,my debate on the matter of Clinton ends here.Bad news.Its my opinion.If you want any news as to why she is bad.Look it up yourself!Natch |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by skepticzero on Jul 14th, 2005, 4:25am on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
But perhaps often, I'm surmising. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
Great, but to what upheaval do you refer specifically--Bill getting oral, moderate economic politicies, the China fiasco? on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
Only if kowtowing to Crown Prince Abdullah, subverting the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, concocting a war in Iraq--a country not worth one U.S. soldier's life, and playing the al Qaeda fool makes one a great man. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
We've spent nearly $200,000,000,000 on a conflict in a country comprised of groups who were killing each other before the U.S. came into existence and will hate each other until they are all dead. @1700 U.S. soldiers have been killed, and the Defense Secretary can only offer the sound bite "victory" as an exit strategy. Our economic recovery is shifting jobs from tech and manufacturing to the service sector and overseas. The actual War On Terror in Afghanistan was managed and continues to be managed piecemeal by the administration, with even the military saying so--leaving us more vulnerable than ever. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
Note that I'm not saying whether I like people's comments, since it's neither constructive nor germane on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
They actually make a point. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
Although not their intent, I'm sure they irritate people who don't want to support generalizations, indefensible or not, or to argue rationally. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
Which involvement with terrorists was that? If you're referring to recent history, the attacks in the 90's were conducted in the face of American military power. What we now know as al Qaeda has not even been afraid to get involved in gunboat battles with the U.S. Navy in the Persian Gulf. Al Qaeda's earlier attacks did not occur specifically because of any president, but rather in spite of U.S. power. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
And yet this administration won't learn a single lesson from volumes of history written on the very conficts in which we're involved now. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
We're suffering greatly now and have under this administration as those who can remember 9/11 could tell you. I seriously doubt Hillary will become president, especially if Rove stays out of jail for treason and/or perjury. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
Or apparently any for that matter. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
Trying to get a straight answer is not baiting. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
There was no debate. on 07/14/05 at 02:02:00, killerabbit wrote:
Although one can look up plenty on Hillary Clinton or any other politician, one cannot look up your specific grievances with Hillary Clinton without you ever having stated them with a reasonable degree of clarity. There is great searching capability on the Web these days, but there are no mind-reading engines. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by kim on Jul 14th, 2005, 6:15am its funny how some issues tend to get too big when too much info is given ;D if what some of you are saying is that the american ppl are too naive and to male dominated that they wouldn't want a woman to give them orders then i dont think i'd want to live anywhere in the US :P... Being qualified for any job doesnt have to rely on wether he or she is a gay or straight, girl or boy. To tell yuo honestly i dont know much about US politics to say if Hillary is qualifid or not but one thing is for sure, she should be judge by here qualifications and not weather she has a pussy or a dick. And defenetly now on what sexual preference she prefers. And whats this ont he catholic issue? If a woman is catholic then she should what? condemn gay ppl? Why are so many ppl scared of something thats unconventional? SO what if they love their own kind? And so what if they want to live together and raise a kid? who are we to jugde their personality? Does this mean that an ex convict or a man who abuses her wife and has more right to have a kid than two gay ppl who are honest n has good morals? One day i will invite my friend... who is a lesbian... in the room see how all of the ppl will react... I have been around so many people to know that the only difference between a man and a woman is the thing in between their legs. Yes its true that men have an advantage when in comes to physical strength but there are also women who are physicaly stronger than men. We all know too that women are more compationate and loving but there are also women who are heartless n cruel. SO let us not judge them for their gender, culture, race or sexual preference. Judge them for their hears and their qualifications. Ok now i'm turning into a preacher ;D... Amen ;D :P ;) |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by mylane on Jul 14th, 2005, 8:34am Just a reminder before it leads to anything big... attack the topic and the not the person. thanks |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by killerabbit on Jul 31st, 2005, 6:09am http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/killerabbit/funnies.jpg Sorry...I couldnt resist.It was so damn funny!lol. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by wildheart41004 on Dec 26th, 2005, 8:24pm Didnt Hillary already have 8 years telling bill what to do? God help us if another Clinton gets into office |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Dec 31st, 2005, 2:25am on 12/26/05 at 20:24:15, wildheart41004 wrote:
I dont think Hillary told Bill to get a blow job by another female. That's probably why he did do it because he was getting tired of her telling what to do all the time. LOL |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by wildheart41004 on Dec 31st, 2005, 6:21pm on 12/31/05 at 02:25:45, thebeast wrote:
But remember He didn't inhale...although Monica did..lol |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by keensryche on Jan 5th, 2006, 1:36am I'm moving to Canada if she becomes President. [smiley=wall.gif] [smiley=furious3.gif] |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by killerabbit on Jun 22nd, 2006, 11:48pm well it seems due to the latest polls and I know how serious some of your liberals pay attention to polls,hillary is slipping in popularity.waahahahaha.... [smiley=woot.gif] |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by Wicked_Witch on Jun 27th, 2006, 7:06am Heck, you guys can't even settle on a male president. I'm sure a woman president is a big cause for worries ;D |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Jul 4th, 2006, 1:57am on 06/27/06 at 07:06:04, Wicked_Witch wrote:
I really not understand why any woman would want to be President...one term of 4 years will put 20 years of age on your life and so much stress it will more than likely kill you before your time. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by leondynomite on Jul 4th, 2006, 2:48am too all the american voters .. whether you call yourself a democrat or a republican, a liberal or conservative .. all you are is a simple-minded, label-obsessive buffoon who cannot think for himself that is why you have to follow some nitwit politicians’ dogmatic pontification, or some fat idiot’s ranting on the radio. America, it’s time to think for yourselves. Vote not whether the candidate has a pussy or a dick, vote because deep in what little humanities that’s left in you, you know what’s right.. Despite of Bush’s idiotic decision to attack the one country that did not have anything to do with 9/11.. and holding hand like a f*g**t with Saudi Arabia’s monarchies, Saudi Arabia - whose citizens are mostly responsible for the 9/11 attack.. Despite of all the liberals pedantic efforts to bring the value of this country down to the gutter, as a citizen of this country, we all can arise above that, and show to the world what makes us a great country .. VOTE FOR PEDRO, HE WILL MAKE YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by nOrKAy on Jul 4th, 2006, 7:42am on 07/04/06 at 02:48:22, leondynomite wrote:
Hello there leondynomite, What a judgemental, hate or shall I say rude FIRST entry of you. If you think you know the best, the right, the perfect, what's really true, then make your best effort for the people to believe you. I wish you luck. But then again, even myself who just heard your first statement doesn't believe. And I am sure, smart people don't, as well, believe or trust people who try to convince people with their opinion with choler, or in such the way you do. Even so, welcome to the 1freeworld Forum. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Jul 4th, 2006, 7:57am on 07/04/06 at 07:42:23, nOrKAy wrote:
its okay kris...this person has watched Fahrenheit 9/11 and Napoleon Dynamite way to many times. This person cant even think for him or herself. He calls american voters simple minded and he or she has to use quotes from movies to make some kind of point. lol |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by leondynomite on Jul 4th, 2006, 8:20am the quote is a joke and if you don't get that after you've seen the movie, then you're thicker than a two short planks. and the only simple-minded americans are the ones who use label on themselves, so that they won't have to think for themselves anymore. learn to read before you write |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by nOrKAy on Jul 4th, 2006, 11:03am on 07/04/06 at 08:20:35, leondynomite wrote:
I am/we're not commenting really on the quote there. We are refering and commenting on how you addressed your opinion [although, I can't even say that's really an opinion], in general--judging people and calling names. How I hate when people talk and call other people by names, as if they , themselves are smart and honorable. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by leondynomite on Jul 4th, 2006, 4:07pm I was not referring to your posting, Norkay, I was referring to thebeast’s posting. Yes, I’ve watched Napoleoon Dynamite (cool movie), but I’ve not seen Fahrenheit.. The post is not meant to convince anyone of anything. If you live in the states, you already know the sad state of politics here, and the even sadder state of the majority of voters who knows nothing about the real issues. All they know is to call themselves Democrats of Republicans, regurgitate some fat-idiot’s ranting on the radio or movie, and excuse themselves from thinking. This is a great country, no doubt about that. That is due largely to its racially and culturally-diverse scientific, academic and business communities who continually generate innovative and creative products and ideas. It can be even greater if its voters can get pass through the frivolous issues of gender. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Jul 6th, 2006, 12:16am on 07/04/06 at 08:20:35, leondynomite wrote:
I did read but I dont see the connection between what you wrote and "Is America Ready For Hillary Clinton to be a President". In fact it has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton being or running for President. What it does say is Americans are idiots, Bush is an idiot, Americans are simple minded and some other nonsense that has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton running or being president. And I know you dont understand the way politics and war works. Calling the Bush Administration idiots and liars is really narrowminded on your part. Maybe you dont like the government of the United States. And thats cool with me...but I wonder if you hate it so much to go to another country and see how much more wonderful you have it there. Look...The United States is not perfect..but it is still the best place in the world to live considering factors like the economy, the opportunities for all races and both genders, education, health care, freedom and more. The American people are what makes America what it is. I dont think idiots could make a country that way. You need to look at what you have and be thankful for it. Do you honestly think that americans are gonna determine who they vote for on the basis of if thier is a pussy or dick involved? I dont think so, because if Hilliary Clinton did run for president she would get some votes. She wouldnt win of course but she would still get some votes. I am a realist and if Hillary did run(which she wouldnt do because the Democratic party would be crazy if they elected her as thier candidate) and I liked her politics..I would vote for her. And I think most americans would be the same way. But this is a mute point because I doubt she will run and if she did I dont think she would get the Democratic ticket. That is just to big of a chance for the Democratic party to take now. What you should of typed is Hillary Clinton would be an idiot if she ran for president or Anyone who voted for Hillary Clinton would be an idiot...that would of made more sense. ;D |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 6th, 2006, 8:05am Wow! What's the big deal about having a woman for a President? You guys make it sounds as if American women are inferior creatures. If she has the power/means, she has the guts and she can make it work, why not? Aren't you people for the betterment of your country? Or plain masochism? |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by ChAntiQ of NarniA on Jul 6th, 2006, 8:46am I think it's time for a commercial gap... Hillary, hit it girl! http://www.youtube.com/v/ZvAE0WQSXAI |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by CooCHie on Jul 6th, 2006, 8:53am on 07/06/06 at 08:46:00, ChAntiQ of NarniA wrote:
Love it !!Good job.chantiqhttp://smileyonline.free.fr/images/gif/bravo/vignette/thumbnails/1036535672_gif.gif |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Jul 6th, 2006, 9:41pm on 07/06/06 at 08:05:06, Wicked_Witch wrote:
I never said women were inferior. I said Hillary Clinton will never be president. Where do u get inferior out of this?? I not even saying she would or wouldnt make a good president. She might even be a damn good presidentt, I dont know. I am saying she will never get the chance because I dont think the Democratic party will support her. The democratic party is no different than any other party. They want thier candidate to win. It doesnt matter if the person is good, bad, black, white, green, male or female....or whatever. What matters is.. will this candidate win. I dont think she has a good chance winning...she would get some votes but she not gonna win. So why put all of your eggs in one basket when you dont stand a chance of winning. Politics has nothing to do with what is best or right or wrong. Its about getting something accomplished that benefits a party, the enviorment, the people, the corporations etc. etc. But you can never please everyone. This is why Bush is successful at getting his political agendas accomplished. He is a master at politics. He gets support from the people, congress, corporations, other countries, and whoever else he needs to get the agenda he has accomplished. Some will say he lies. I dont think that is the case..but what politician doesnt do the same thing? Take the war in Iraq for example. After 911, Bush knew we had to do something. What was that something. That something involved a lot of different things. Things like getting some kind of democratic influence in the middle east, taking the war to the terrorists instead of waiting on them to strike American soil again, stability in a unstable region, fight terrorism the way we want to fight it. But why Iraq??? There are more terrorist in Iran and other Middle Eastern countries so why Iraq? Iraq was the perfect country for this. Iraq was unstable. Pratically already beatin. Iraq had a dictator in charge that none of the other middle eastern countries liked. Sadam was not following the rules he agreed to after Desert Storm. War is not cheap..both for loss of life and financial reasons, but Iraq is more than likely the place where the United States could have a presence in and not lose a large amount of american lives and also be the least expensive of any other Middle Eastern Country. Iraq also has the largest oil reserves in the world and has the cabability to be a rich nation. American corporations could also benefit in the war in Iraq. Terrorists cant stand Americans and democracy. Where are American soldiers and democracy now? Where are the terrorists now? Bush declared war on terrorism and that is exactly what The United States and the other allied nations are doing today in Iraq. All of this was carefully thought out and planned. Everything was considered. Democracy, freedom, money, loss of american lives, oil, stability, and most importantly of all....the war against terrorism. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 7th, 2006, 4:27am Point taken, Joel. I see u did your homework. ;D |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 7th, 2006, 4:40am on 07/04/06 at 16:07:51, leondynomite wrote:
Americans yell for the Government to balance the budget, then take the last dime they have to make the down payment on a car. Americans whip the enemy in battle, then give them the shirt off their backs. Americans yell for speed laws that will stop fast driving, then won't buy a car if it can't go over 100 miles an hour. Americans get scared to death if they vote a billion dollars for education, then are unconcerned when they find out they are spending three billion dollars a year for cigarettes. Americans know the line-up of every baseball team in the American and National Leagues but don't know half the words in the "Star Spangled Banner." Americans spend half a day looking for vitamin pills to make us live longer, then drive 90 miles an hour on slick pavement to make up for lost time. They tie up their dog while letting their sixteen year old son run wild. America is the country that has more food to eat than any other country in the world and more diets to keep them from eating it. Great country!!! [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif] Opps...no violent reaction please!:P |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by killerabbit on Jul 11th, 2006, 5:34pm Vote for Rice! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by killerabbit on Jul 11th, 2006, 11:37pm on 07/07/06 at 04:40:56, Wicked_Witch wrote:
Yeah it is!Dont you wish you were here? :PKidding sis!! |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 18th, 2006, 11:06am At my age? Nahhh....maybe when I was younger, but not anymore. Now I just want to enjoy life and not be in the rat race anymore ;). I'm through with that. America? Heck, I'll find me an american who will retire here with me. ;D |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by nOrKAy on Jul 19th, 2006, 11:10am on 07/11/06 at 23:37:27, killerabbit wrote:
*raising eyebrow here* LMAO. What's worth dreaming for there, by the way, sweetheart? Hehehehe. Kudos for Joel! ;) |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by leondynomite on Jul 22nd, 2006, 6:38am on 07/06/06 at 21:41:35, thebeast wrote:
And as long as the voters keep thinking that way, and keep using that as an excuse, we'll always have an idiot like Bush for a president Quote:
In the U.S., at least 62% disapprove of Bush’s job performance. And if you ever travel abroad, you'll discover that in the rest of the world, at least 90% think Bush is the quintessential ugly american- an arrogant, loud-mouth bully, who feeds his people fears and misconceptions, to promote the war that his daddy couldn't finish, and payback Sadam for making his daddy lose face. In case you've been living under a rock also, there were less than 20 countries that supported Bush's directive to attack Irag, and several recanted their support once the war started. Quote:
They're growing in number, especially with the increasingly disillusioned Muslim populace who’s sick and tired with westerners meddling with their affairs.. Add to the list North Korea who has nuclear weapons, and is already testing their missiles to reach the western U.S. And there’s nothing the U.S. can do about that, because everyone knows in Washington that another half-ass, not-fully-thought-out war would bankrupt this country. And Bush would have a harder time convincing his dim-witted constituents this second time around. Even an idiot knows not to touch a fire again once he’s been burned. Quote:
Correction, this is war by an arrogant, simpleton, texan cowboy to make the bad guy pay for making a joke out of his daddy… not to mention to make his Saudi Arabian friends and his business friends happy by protecting their oil interest, to the cost of thousands of american lives and 10s of thousands of innocent Iraqi's lives. If Bush cares about freedom and democracy, he’d be sending troops to Africa to protect the millions being oppressed and stop the genocides. Most of those African countries are less stable than Iraq ever was. Back to the topic at hand… I wouldn’t vote for neither Hillary nor Rice. Rice is as loyal to Bush, as the Nazis were to Hitler. Hillary’s extremely liberal beliefs would mean that my hard-earned money would just go to the lazy, fat asses in this country. If there’s a better candidate, I would vote for him or her regardless of the gender. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by nOrKAy on Jul 23rd, 2006, 4:14am I admire, really, your thoughts and intelligence, leondynomite. Your way of calling someone very oppresively, however, bothers me so much. I know someone, a father, a neighbor and a relative of mine who is jobless, yet still prioritizes unnecessary things that are not for the welfare of his family. But still, I/we still can't call him idiot, fat ass or by any oppressive way of calling him. Being there to make the family whole and for the children to call "daddy" when they feel like talking about something, still a big role. I hope you can understand and can be considerate to others feelings. Thank you. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Jul 27th, 2006, 2:17am on 07/22/06 at 06:38:17, leondynomite wrote:
Politics has nothing to do with what is best or right or wrong. Its about getting something accomplished that benefits a party, the enviorment, the people, the corporations etc. etc. But you can never please everyone. If you are gonna challenge what I type..you need to include everything that I type, not just one sentence...otherwise what you type makes no sense. on 07/22/06 at 06:38:17, leondynomite wrote:
So you put a lot of faith in polls? Polls are about as useful as a swimsuit in the artic ocean. Take 100 people 80 of these people are Bush haters, liberals, or people who disapprove with Bush..what do you get? Well an 80% disapproval of Bush of course. Ask these same people a month latter and in that month the cost of gasoline went back down to $2 a gallon and Bush had nothing to do with it...guess what you get? I am not sure exactly but the 80% disapproval would be more closer to 80% approval. Polls are worthless. Polls are taken because the news needs to get some poll expert on thier shows just to discuss something to kill time. And it doesnt matter what country these polls are taken in either. People are all different, but the human race, as a whole, is the same |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 27th, 2006, 9:28am Ok, let's answer the question now. Will Hillary get voted or not? If YES or NO, why? |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by killerabbit on Aug 11th, 2006, 4:53am Sounds to me that leodynomite needs to get laid.Wahahahahaha!!!! |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by Wicked_Witch on Aug 11th, 2006, 5:22am ::) |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Aug 12th, 2006, 2:21am on 07/27/06 at 09:28:57, Wicked_Witch wrote:
You have to get on the Democratic ticket first. I say no and not only because she is a woman... lets not forget Hillary Clinton voted yes to the war in Iraq. Just like most democrats did, but for some reason they dont want to talk about it much now. The Democratic party is changing...they are on a vendetta mission now. If you have any kind of support for the war in Iraq...at least now...you are more than likely not going to get on the ticket. These liberals or these left-wing democrats and all the people who support them want to live in peace and harmony. That is what they wanted before Pearl Harbor and 911. So instead of action all we had was reaction. Choose to not get involved and not do anything about a current situation will always put anyone in the reaction mode. You cant fight terrorism in a reaction mode. You have to go after it and kill it and wipe in off the face earth. It more than likely it is an endless job or will take a long time to accomplish....but it protects the people of the United States and the free world as well. These politicians and same thinking people dont want to understand you have to have war in order to get peace and harmony. They would rather just not get involved. Sit around and beef up the security in the United States. They dont want to acknowledge the threat of terrorism. So Hillary has 2 strikes against her. She is a woman and she supports the war in Iraq...or at least she voted that way. I just wonder if she will continue to support it openly or do like most republican and democratic politicians do..make some excuse up or downplay it. If she has balls, she will support it openly when asked. If she does this in my mind she is a worthy politician. I dont want any politician I vote for saying....well that is the way I thought back then or that is the way I felt about it then. I want someone who says...you damn right I voted that way and if they had the same vote today I would vote the same way. That is called confidence, decisiveness, courage, and honesty. These are the characteristics that make good leaders. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by Wicked_Witch on Aug 12th, 2006, 4:43am You forgot "cunning", Joel.:P But I think sometimes politician do some things because they thought it will endear them to the majorities of the voters, or to impress a large number of people. Never mind that it's not what they really wanted to do in the first place, or should do under the circumstances. If it backfires, then it's their asses that are on the line. It's a risk they have to take because politics is always a game and will always be a game. Heroes do not exist anymore. If a politician started out clean, sooner or later he or she will gonna get tainted for it's a dirty game. No one wallows in the mud and don't get muddy. ;) As for Hillary getting elected, she will be lucky to get a number of votes, and if she does, either she has fooled some people or they are desperate for the much needed changes and do not care whoever it is as long as there's a change in the seat. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Aug 12th, 2006, 4:24pm on 08/12/06 at 04:43:53, Wicked_Witch wrote:
This is true Edith...but there are 3 things a politician shouldnt do. 1) Never second guess yourself 2)if you do something that isnt the popular thing..dont deny it or downplay it...admit it and stand up to it and believe in it. and lastly 3)support your military regaurdless if you dont agree with what they are doing. This last one was Senator Kerry's downfall. Kerry voted no to give the troops in Iraq additional supplies and weapons they needed in Iraq. Here these soldiers are...trying to survive and get a job done...and Senator Kerry says no for supplies they need in order to protect and survive???? Just because you dont support it doesnt mean you should put your fellow american soldiers in harms way. You never vote no to something like that even if you dont agree with the way it is going. The soldiers still got what they needed eventually but how would anyone feel about something like that? What if you were a soldier and needed bullets? And then you found out there was a senator back home who said no??? Well...when I got back home I would make sure he didnt have any bullets either then start shooting at him and ask him how he felt after. >:( |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by Wicked_Witch on Oct 4th, 2006, 2:56pm Lol, Joel. You did not mention why he's oppose to sending the much needed supplies to those soldiers in Iraq. I want to know first what those are before I give my opinion on the subject. |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by nOrKAy on Oct 19th, 2006, 7:52am I was reading and I came accross this article. TED TURNER SPEAKS OUT? Ted Turner says Iraq war among history's "dumbest" and also says global governance power should be handed over to women... By Daniel Trotta NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. invasion of Iraq was among the "dumbest moves of all time" that ranks with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor and the German invasion of Russia, billionaire philanthropist Ted Turner said on Tuesday. The founder of CNN and unabashed internationalist also defended the right of Iran to have nuclear weapons and the effectiveness of the United Nations and, in a jocular mood, advocated banning men from elective office worldwide in a Reuters Newsmaker appearance. Alternately combative and humorous, Turner spoke nine years after his pledge to donate $1 billion to the United Nations over 10 years and on the same day President Bush addressed the U.N. General Assembly a mile away. The U.S. invasion of Iraq has caused "incalculable damage" that will take 20 years to overcome "if we just act reasonably intelligently." "It will go down in history, it is already being seen in history, as one of the dumbest moves that was ever made by anybody. A couple of others that come to mind were the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor and the German invasion of Russia," Turner told the forum. "It literally broke my heart. You don't start wars just because you don't like somebody. ... I wouldn't even start a war with Rupert Murdoch," Turner said, referring to his onetime cable network rival. Often contrarian, Turner called it a "joke" that Bush demanded that Iran abandon any ambitions for nuclear weapons while at the same time hoping to ban all such bombs. "They're a sovereign state," Turner said of Iran. "We have 28,000. Why can't they have 10? We don't say anything about Israel -- they've got 100 of them approximately -- or India or Pakistan or Russia. And really, nobody should have them. "They aren't usable by any sane person." POWER TO THE WOMEN One way to reduce such dangers in the world would be to leave women in charge, said the former husband of Jane Fonda. "Men should be barred from public office for 100 years in every part of the world. ... It would be a much kinder, gentler, more intelligently run world. The men have had millions of years where we've been running things. We've screwed it up hopelessly. Let's give it to the women." In the meantime, the United Nations represents the best hope, Turner said. While the world body is ridiculed as ineffective and irrelevant by its harshest critics and often criticized by its strongest advocates, Turner offered what was then one-third of his net worth to the world body nine years ago. "I am absolutely certain we would not have made it through the Cold War without the U.N.," Turner said. "When Khrushchev at the U.N. took his shoe off and hit podium he was so mad, but he had a place to let off steam. If the U.N. hadn't been there, that would have been war right then." When a questioner from the audience challenged Turner on the United Nations's value, Turner shot back. "The war between Lebanon and Israel and Hizbollah would still be going on if it hadn't been for the U.N., and that's only in the last two weeks, Bubba." |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by nOrKAy on Oct 19th, 2006, 7:54am I don't really know what to say, but I'm smiling while shaking my head. LOL. But I would like to hear what others say. ;D |
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Title: Re: Hillary Clinton: Is America Ready For A Woman Post by thebeast on Oct 23rd, 2006, 7:05pm Well that sounds like what any international playboy would say. I guess people cant call CNN totally republican now. You know Ted Turner wasnt always so liberal. Jane Fonda brainwashed him. The UN is a good thing but a country cant always wait around on the UN to make up its mind. Nobody likes war and all wars are dumb. I never considered any war as a smart thing. I guess Ted looks at wars as being smart or dumb. All I know is when something happens to a country like 911 or Pearl Harbor its always a reaction kind of thing. Myself and lots of americans are tired of always reacting. Could women run the world better? Who knows. I know here in the states the opportunity is there for them...but do they want it? Besides one person doesnt make the decisions. There are women in congress and also in leadership positions in the Bush Administration. I know this is just sarcasm by Ted Turner. If he is so angry with the system...why dont he run for office and change things? Or better yet he has enough money to back someone he likes. Why dont he contribute to Hillary Clinton for president or speak on her behalf. No...I dont think so. Ted Turner has the Ross Perot complex. He is willing to give his money to a cause and complain about it...but when it comes time for some actual work or it seems there might be a lot of hard work aniticipated...he vanishes. I not saying Ted Turner never worked hard either. He is or was a communications giant. But I dont think he really understands politics in a governmental sense. He knows business politics very well. That is why he never seeked office as a civil servent. If he has, I never read or heard about it. |
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