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(Message started by: nelson3082000 on Dec 2^nd, 2005, 7:14am)

Title: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by nelson3082000 on Dec 2^nd, 2005, 7:14am

LETS HEAR YA VIEWS ON THIS POINT

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by nelson3082000 on Dec 2^nd, 2005, 7:17am

I WAS DISGUSTED TODAY WITH THE EXECUTION BY HANGING ON AUSTRALIAN CITIZEN FOR SMUGGLING DRUGS.THIS GUY WAS GUILTY OF THE CRIME I AGREE BUT WAS HIS FIRST OFFENSE AND NO MERCY WAS GIVEN TO HIM WHATSOEVER.I BELEIVE THE DEATH PENALTY SHOULD BE OBOLISHED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD OR IF IT IS TO CONTINUE ONLY FOR THE MOST HANUS CRIMES IN SOCIETY.

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Dec 3^rd, 2005, 5:26am

No, Nelson. I agree with the verdict. Have you ever realize how many lives are being destroyed coz of drugs everyday all over the world? Do you realize that these days most crimes, if not all, are being committed by people under the influence of drugs? If it's another crime, maybe I will agree that a sentence by hanging is too harsh. But if it's about drugs, I fully and wholly agree to the hanging, provided the person is found guilty beyond doubt. Heck, if it's up to me I would like to torture them first. You know, create a hallucinations where he will see a member of his family getting hook on drugs, losing reality touch, stealing anything they can get their hands on to sell so they can have money to buy more drugs. A female member of his family getting raped by a drug addict. His whole family being murdered in their sleeps by a group of drug addicts who were just having "fun". Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't care if its a first or second or ONLY offense. What if he didn't get caught? He will go on and on and on smuggling drugs because big money is involve in it. But what? At the cost of innocent people's lives?
By the way, do we just "babble" this serious subject? :P

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by keensryche on Dec 3^rd, 2005, 6:28am

I'm all for it. Kill'em all

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by nOrKAy on Dec 3^rd, 2005, 6:57am

Keen, I can feel the choler inside. And I fully understand. I wish we could hug. :'(

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by dOnUtz 9urL on Dec 3^rd, 2005, 10:55am

well deep down in my heart l was thinking that this is inhuman, l meant oh my gosh taking others life just like that! but on the other hand, the person deserve it, look on how many people died from the drugs, even kids !!
not only about drugs l guess, lotsa about other criminals or terrorism.

But in every country they got their own rules, if they decided to give death penalty to ppl bring drugs or drugs dealer, then be it. its that's person own fault, he already know the rules but he still did it.

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by MissFartyPants on Dec 3^rd, 2005, 4:43pm

While I sympathize with the family and friends of this guy (insert his name here - I don't follow the news sorry), I don't condone what he did either. That being said, I still feel that the death penalty for ANY crime is much too harsh.

Alright, he was caught red-handed. Irrefutably, innocent lives were and will continue to be destroyed if “justice” wasn’t served. Heck, give him the punishment that warrants (a) his despicable act. It is often so easy for anyone of us (I, included) to jump on the band-wagon without putting much thought to the circumstances. Easier even to point fingers. I am not trying to make excuses for what he has done. However, is he not entitled for a second chance? Just like everybody else? Presuming that justice is indeed blind, give him life sentence. Any punishment that would hopefully make him realize the folly of what he has done. But don’t take his life. As it is not ours to take in the first place. (Oh dear, I sense a pious mood is in progress here ….. )

Also, I feel we are overlooking a lot of underlying facts here. I believe we, as a society is in part responsible for the next person’s unfavorable behaviour. How? Everytime we shrug our shoulders when we should have paid more attention. When parents fail to lead as an example; when the church fall short in instilling moral values and ethics; list goes on.

An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth? Whoever has not sinned cast the first stone. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Boy, we have come a long way indeed ….. or have we? Frankly speaking, it seems we are no better than barbarians who think with their swords and spears.

Just my two cents.

Disclaimer: If I stepped on anyone’s toes --- I apologise, it is not my intention at all.

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by CooCHie on Dec 3^rd, 2005, 5:55pm

Well I understand your frustration on that matter Nelson..sometimes law are injustice. There are lots of criminal out there that are freed and kept on going back and forth to the slammer and committing the same crime all over and over again and still they are not being punished enough for the crime they committed. For some reason most of them get away with some technical flaws of the law. I watch one program one time that this guy being innocently jailed. He was mistaken identify and was being punished to the max. THen there are some instances that you watched in the news and seen these criminals go free because of technical mistakes. WHere is justice now a days...We never know. I agree that some should be punished for the crime they committed and the severinity of the crime they commit should be justify. And for those who are put to death row..why cant they just used their organ for those who needed? THey killed someone, and they will be killed anyway, why cant they just donate their organ? Just a thought!!!!! [smiley=crazysmile.gif] [smiley=crazysmile.gif] [smiley=crazysmile.gif]

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by okasantina on Dec 3^rd, 2005, 6:10pm

huh ??? ::)

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Dec 4^th, 2005, 6:21am

I am not a violent person by nature. In fact, I abhore any form of violence. But everytime I see something on TV or hear from reliable sources that a crime has been comitted because the perpetrator is under the influence of drugs, it makes me want to shoot them myself!! And like I said, all other crimes....I'm in favor of giving them a second chance or a life sentence. But DRUGS? Sheez...how are you going to give them a second chance? Drug is BIG and EASY money. You put them to jail, they will be taken care of by the big bosses. Then they go free again. Give them a life sentence? They even sell drugs inside jailhouses! Drugs are not like any ordinary crimes. Even a serial killer can't be compared to those who sells them. Drug is war itself. And it is a World War!! So how can we be lenient to those who has committed this so henious a crime? These people should be shown an example of what is going to happen to them. I do not go for right or wrong. I go for what is fair and what is unfair. Because doing the right thing is not always a guarantee that we will live a better life. But if we believe in what is fair and what is unfair then we can treat life so much better.
Am I making any sense here? ???

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by MissFartyPants on Dec 4^th, 2005, 7:19am

on 12/04/05 at 06:21:32, Wicked_Witch wrote:

I hope I did not offend you in any way. :-/

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by keensryche on Dec 4^th, 2005, 8:37am

on 12/03/05 at 06:57:26, nOrKAy wrote:

Keen, I can feel the choler inside. And I fully understand. I wish we could hug. :'(

I'm all for it [smiley=icon_super.gif]

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by Saffire_65 on Dec 4^th, 2005, 10:56am

weLL Nelson I'm sorry to hear about your fella mate being sentenced to death here in Singapore but thats our rules and regulations. Everyone in this world i presume knew that Singapore is very strict with their law and thats why crime rate is literally low over here compared to elsewhere. Dang dont talk about smuggling drugs here even smuggling chewing gums is an offence. but again chewing gum is not a threat to any lifes so the penalty is just fining. Ever wonder why Singapore is a Fine Country?? LOL

Law is law anywhere else so we have to respect ones country law. Our government is just trying to protect us or our younger generation from sheer doom of getting involved in drugs. I think their campaign to be a drug free nation is really successful. Anybody feel very safe living here in Singapore. Our young generation are very much protected against drug. This isnt the first death sentencing on foreigners trafficker tho. Why hadnt they learn from previous mistakes done by those unlucky drug dealers? If one wish to contaminate their country with drug addicts then do it in their own country :) Anyhow i feel sorry for the family who has lost a member by such harsh punishment. Hopefully the World learn to respect the law in Singapore. Sorry if i offend anyone and I dont think its necessary to appologise on behalf of my government for their decision. We are law abiding citizen! [smiley=icon_worship.gif]

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by Saffire_65 on Dec 4^th, 2005, 11:22am

on 12/04/05 at 06:21:32, Wicked_Witch wrote:

I totally agree with you twinnie. Thats what my country is fighting against...... war on drugs. Seems like everything is under control until foreigners try their luck to contaminate us with thier filth. Well if you feel like shooting those ppl who commmited crime under the influence of drug first you need to get to the source who made it easily accessible to all these weaklings.

Why are we even thinking about granting second chance? Isnt the warning at the airport or in the planes about our law before landing is clear enough? Why take chances? So i believe these ppl are hardcore crime offenders. Another thing is if death penalty is seen as harsh, have you ever think what consequences these drug dealers have upon the entire society? They are like a life threatening virus. Drug kills!! Isnt that seen as a serious crime at all? It takes away lifes, family and even entire community.

I am very neutral here not taking any sides and not saying that my government is right but i certainly echo witchy's sentiment here. You go gal! [smiley=icon_drink2.gif] [smiley=icon_super.gif]

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Dec 5^th, 2005, 4:44am

on 12/04/05 at 07:19:10, MissFartyPants wrote:

I hope I did not offend you in any way. :-/

You certainly did not, MsFarty
;)Afterall, we are only each of us voicing/writing our own opinions on the subject. Don't worry about it, please. I'm a broadminded person and I welcome any comments on the subject at hand, be it here or on any other threads/topics. :-*

Hehehehe!!! Twinnie, I know you will always watch my back. Shall we go bountyhunting now? [smiley=moped.gif]

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by nelson3082000 on Dec 7^th, 2005, 12:16am

good comments people and yes i agree with most of the comments in here as well, drugs are a bad thing and should be stomped out by any means neccesary.But has anyone read the case closely and seen this was a law abiding citizen that has made one let me say it again one mistake in his life and he is being put to death, if this is a person who has a past criminal record or has done this sort of thing before i can go along with the harsh sentence.but yet again this was his fisrt time to do anything illegal in his life.Yes i agree also every country has its own laws and yes they are there for whatever reason people justify them for i guess, but also again first time caught then put to death i think is to harsh and im glad many around the world are fighting against the death penalty ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Dec 7^th, 2005, 1:37am

Once again I'm putting my stand on this. Nelson, how can a law-abiding citizen such as your fellow countryman, ever thought of committing such a serious crime in the first place? He should at least had an idea of the risk he was taking, of the consequences should he get caught? Everywhere, and I mean everywhere, there is no question that doing drugs are the most serious offense one can commit against one's country, even your own. Aside from war and poverty, that is the next serious problem every country leader is trying hard to get rid of. And it was never a question of being a first-time offender, because the offense was not just a simple traffic violation, or a simple robbery where maybe you can ask the court to go easy on you since it was your first time? Can you imagine how many lives will get destroyed if he ever got past the airport authorities? Think of it this way. His is just one life against many. And do you think he will stop at that one time if he were able to make it? I don't think so. It will just be the beginning. That is human's nature, Nelson. Once they get past something as dangerous as that, it will give them the power of being invincible. It was a first time offense for him because he got caught right away. No, i firmly believe, as condemning as it looks in the eyes of his family and fellow australian, that the hanging was a justified act on the Singaporean Government.

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by nelson3082000 on Dec 7^th, 2005, 3:17pm

yes witchy as i isa d and you must of read a first offense does not condem a men to death, what happens if in the future a man or woman is not guilty they are killed and then they find out they were not.There are many floored arguements we can have on this and im glad many people around the world see that this barabaric act will be in the future removed from happening

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by Saffire_65 on Dec 10^th, 2005, 1:14am

Nelson i understand where you coming from and why australia are so against harsh penalty. LMBO ;) thats cool sweetie. To what I know barbaric are those who went around on a killing spree. LOL Singapore governtment had already warn those against drug trafficking so if warnings are put on deaf ears by those who have problem with abiding a country's law then we have to carry out the penalty tho. If we fail to do so then others might see it as just an empty warning. Its not an easy decision to make but I think those ppl are just doing their job to curb drug addiction at bay. Cheers mate [smiley=icon_drink.gif]

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by mixin4livin on Dec 10^th, 2005, 4:31am

Let me check with my Lawyer and get back!! [smiley=smash.gif]

Title: Re: DO YA BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PEALTY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Dec 11^th, 2005, 4:57am

Like I said, too Nelson, giving a second chance to an offender DEPENDS on the type of crime that person has committed. And I did say in my previous posts....AS LONG AS THEY ARE PROVEN GUILTY BEYOND DOUBT. You know, some people's mind are like that. They condemn those who pass judgement because they are not personally involved. But if something will happen to them, a drug-related case, let us see if they will still think the judgement is too harsh. Say, the kids or a family member get hooked on drugs and committed murder, rape, or any other serious crimes. I'm sure they will no longer think a judge of any court is being harsh on drug-offense punishments. WE used to say "Money is the root of all evil." Not anymore, now it's drugs.

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by Gracia on Dec 13^th, 2005, 9:22am

I understand fully your sympathy Nelson because he is your fellow Aussie Correct me if I'm wrong, i've read something about hidden grudges towards your country..am not sure....Anyway, probably a second chance is possible if it happens in your very own country. The rules of other country is normally more austere compared to that of your country maybe. It's just too bad, he was captured in other country who hated the act tremendously.

Maybe you can understand more if you will put your shoes in them. Like - how do you feel if it happens in your country? Do you think your government will give a second chance if ever a Filipino will be caught of drug trafficking in your country? Think of those Aussie lives who will be ruin because of those drugs he's selling to your fellowmen.

I understand though why death penalty has to be impose, in order to give warning to those involved and give chances as well. Personally, I don't favor death penalty. It’s enough for me to know that they'll be behind bars for life.

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by nelson3082000 on Dec 22^nd, 2005, 11:26am

na gracia he has neevr been convicted on anything in his life in his past, second he was trafficking them to australai which under the correct law australia should of tried him with there law as thay have now found out. thirdly i agree with everyone in here if ya do the crime u have to pay the price, but this guy could of been rehabilitated dont ya think not prior crimes, but i guess lets make the death peanlty for all crimes then we wills ee the reaction.

As many have said if death for all then we have no more crime correct

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by nelson3082000 on Dec 22^nd, 2005, 11:27am

And ya all read the facts of the case before u make comments becuse it does not seen u have read the facts of the case

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by somebody on Dec 23^rd, 2005, 7:23pm

Nelson, are you talking about the Vietnamese Australian guy? Gosh, I thought it was so sad. Some people don't even get the death penalty for worse crimes.

I have mixed feelings about the death penalty. I am for it but it should only be reserved for the worst of the worst criminals and if we can prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. It's also not fair because in the US, the state you commit your crime can determine whether you live or die bc some states do not have the death penalty. It's also not fair that (studies show this) black criminals are more likely to be put on death row as compared to white criminals for committing the same type of crime. We have a very faulty system and this is why it's hard for me to completely support the death penalty.

Let's not forget about DNA too. DNA has exonorated many innocent prisoners. Who knows how many innocent people we killed before the discovery of DNA? I don't even want to think about that.

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Dec 26^th, 2005, 4:14pm

on 12/22/05 at 11:27:10, nelson3082000 wrote:

And ya all read the facts of the case before u make comments becuse it does not seen u have read the facts of the case

What else is there to read? You admitted yourself that he is guilty. Your only point of argument is that the man is a first-time offender. With drugs there should be no exception. If proven guilty beyond doubts, then by all means give the punishment due. It's bad enough that the authorities cannot or will not apprehend all the lawbreakers on drugs. Should we also let go of those that get caught redhanded? I don't think so.

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by wildheart41004 on Dec 26^th, 2005, 8:22pm

Against the death penalty...we have no right to take a life , although the death penalty is dealt out daily to millions of innocent children waiting to be born...if you havent noticed, Bob is Pro life as well

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Dec 29^th, 2005, 7:53am

In the old days maybe death penalty is not applicable yet coz most of the crimes are committed only against some individual and personal. But it has gotten worse over the century. More so with drugs when it was like fighting a war now. I'm all for it. And what do you do in war? Don't people take each other lives also? And just imagine, most of them are innocent, just trying to serve their respective countries...doing what...killing people they do not even know?

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by wildheart41004 on Dec 29^th, 2005, 5:44pm

on 12/29/05 at 07:53:06, Wicked_Witch wrote:

In the old days maybe death penalty is not applicable yet coz most of the crimes are committed only against some individual and personal. But it has gotten worse over the century. More so with drugs when it was like figting a war now. I'm all for it. And what do you do in war? Don't people take each other lives also? And just imagine, most of them are innocent, just trying to serve their respective countries...doing what...killing people they do not even know?

yes in war they take each other's lives, but unlike taking an innocent childs life in abortion, in war they get to carry weapons and defend themselves over what they believe.

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by nOrKAy on Dec 29^th, 2005, 6:28pm

In death penalty, everyone has it's own perspective. But in law, law is law and individual's view about it has nothing to do with the law. I don't personally like it, but if the law says, that's the prize the crime you committed gets , well? Welcome to hell ! [smiley=roll.gif] Joke, folks. Hahaha. Seriousy, you have to take it wether you like it, or wether you think it's right or wrong.

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by somebody on Dec 31^st, 2005, 1:52am

on 12/29/05 at 17:44:21, wildheart41004 wrote:

yes in war they take each other's lives, but unlike taking an innocent childs life in abortion, in war they get to carry weapons and defend themselves over what they believe.

What about innocent civilians? Old men, women, children..many can not defend themselves.

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Jan 5^th, 2006, 6:04pm

on 12/29/05 at 17:44:21, wildheart41004 wrote:

yes in war they take each other's lives, but unlike taking an innocent childs life in abortion, in war they get to carry weapons and defend themselves over what they believe.

And you think DRUGS can't be considered weapons? Heck, it's even deadlier than automatic rifles or an M-16 or whatever kind of weapons they uses these days. Coz those firearms will kill instantly. But not DRUGS. Can you imagine how destructive DRUGS are once it gets to your system until the time you get addicted to it? Wildy, I think you better read some books on it or visit rehab centers or look around you for some source. And the victims are often innocent people. Drugs kill slowly. Sheez, it's safer to kiss a leper than a drug addict! At least with a leper you only get a chance of being infected. With drug users you are not sure if you would still live to see the next day! I maybe a little exaggerated here but it's a fact as seen on TV's or newspapers.How many people with good lives or bright futures has been turned into nothing but sunken bodies, broken spirits,hopeless lives? They have sold everything they have, traded everything they have...some of which they don't even own...just so they can buy drugs and more drugs?Some steal and some kill to get it. And for what?

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by kim on Feb 27^th, 2006, 9:54am

FIrst of all i will base my reactions solely on what i have read in this thread since i havent read any documents about this particular case. But Nelson if yo ucan furnish me a copy or a link to this case i'd love to read on it.

I can say that i understand Nelson inwhat he is trying ot say. Call me naive but i've always believe that there is good in every person and that sometimes sope people are led or forced to to things in order to survive. Now i'm not saying that the ausie guy that was hanged is a victim or that he is a good person forced into doing something bad since i have no idea about the case. But as Nelson said that it his his first ever offense he shouldn't have gotten hanged for it. Yes drugs is bad and yes it should not be tolerated. But as some people have pointed out, there are other people who have done worst things than this and they were sent home. If we are to imposse death penaly on drug dealers then we shouldmost definitely do the same to rapists and killers. A person under the influence of drugs has no control of what he is doing thus not being able to tell right from wrong whinc often leads to that person committing a crime. But what about those rapist or those corrupct gov. officials who do not take drugs" Arent they worst because they know exactly what they are doing?

I AM FOR DEATH PENALY because i believe that fear should be inflicted to those who do not fear anything at all. But sad to say that those who get the death penalties are only the frys in the fish tank. Kill the drug lord first before you kill the drug dealers.

Come to think of it Nelson they probably hanged the guy to make an example out of him because they could never catch the big time drug lords.

FINALY STAND: I dont think they were right to hang the guy because it is his first offense. IF they want to justify what they did then they should answer this... WHERE IS THE DRUG LORD THAT SUPPLIES THE DRUGS THAT THE DRUG DEALERS SELL? How come the big time drug players go about the world doing what ever they please? Where is the justice in that?

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by Zed_Sg on Apr 25^th, 2006, 11:10am

The hanging to death of the Australian man was done according to the law in Singapore.I am sure the man knew it very well,yet he did what he was doing.U learn Singapore's laws and how they are implemented & u will understand.Try to think about it...if he was not caught how many more people and lives would this man victimize and destroy???...and think about it,it's not for any good reason at all but for his selfish aim to get much money.Think about it...Singapore citizens including myself are even afraid to do such things that we know against the law because we know how the laws are enforced here ...then they would let an alien come in and do such deadly crime???If thats the case i would call Singapore law a bullshit.

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Apr 26^th, 2006, 6:46am

My sentiments exactly! What if he never got caught? Think of the number of lives those smuggled drugs are going to destroy some more? As for the druglords themselves, the reason they never got caught is that they let other people do the dirty job for them. So why not also punish these people who let the druglords use them? There will be no druglords if there will be no people to act as courriers or dealers or pushers? Rapists and murderers do not kill en masse. But drugs can and will do that.

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by thebeast on Jun 3^rd, 2006, 2:16am

Well if you are gonna have the death penalty for drug dealers then it would only be fair to have the death penalty for those who buy and take the drugs as well. I mean its illegal as well isnt it? That is the only real way you are gonna get rid of the problem anyway...because as long as there is a demand for something...its always gonna be available. Only other way is to legalize it and tax it so it would not be a feasible market anymore. Those who abuse narcotics will always buy. And those who sell will always provide a service. The fact that it is illegal only profits the drug dealers more.

Title: Re: DO YA BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY
Post by Wicked_Witch on Jun 27^th, 2006, 7:19am

Joel, how can you even say that? I hope you are joking! Legalized drugs! OMG!! Even gambling should not be legalized but since only moneyed people get entertained by so much gamblings, we might as well get something from it by way of taxes or whatever. But drugs! Joel, people do not steal money to gamble, but they steal money to buy drugs. By legalizing it, you are giving a chance not only to druglords but also to those who can afford it to use or sell it freely. It's a killer, Joel. It's not a form lof livelihood!
And we should also respect the laws of each country. Like the saying "when you are in rome, do what the romans do." It's not allowed in singapore and even punishable by death. So I think the punishment, wether we accept it or not has been just. It's not a question of being a first-offender. It's about the kind of crime he has committed. Would you pardon a murderer just because its his first time to kill? I don't think so.